Who doesnt want gear restrictions removed?

[reivaxe]

I am in favor of MORE race gear! I love that there are certain glams that are unique to your race, racial gear is the game's chance to really play up the aesthetics of a race.

I have nothing against gender locking stuff, cause if they didn't females wouldn't get half the girly shet they do. In all the praise I saw for them making the 2B coffer gear look the same for both genders I noticed no one really thought about male players who don't want to crossplay and was expecting a "cool thing designed for them" that they could wear. I saw it a number of times, people being let down that they won a useless glam prize. That's kinda why gender locking is a thing, so that dudes aren't asked to wear female stuff and female characters can have girly stuff. I'm ok with them having interns or w/e unlock things in the background like they are doing now but I've no problem sucking it up that my female can't always have a dapper glam.

For job gear I'm fine with restrictions but think Ranged and Nin need over-lap. Like ... they kinda fucked up Ranged gear via having all the Ranged jobs want the same stats. What's BIS for one is the same for the other 2 from what I see in most cases so I feel like the jobs could use some tweaking and maybe let Nin wear their gear and let them wear Nin gear. Mainly cause Nin sets look more Dnc than most ranged sets. They could do that OR just make Dnc wear Nin gear instead of ranged. But that's as far as that goes, never really cared for the idea of making Job gear a free-4-all.

Devs also like to reuse past gear designs for different jobs when they can, as filler gear for dngs so it's a means to stretch out resources.

[GrizzlyTank]

I have nothing against gender locking stuff, cause if they didn't females wouldn't get half the girly shet they do. In all the praise I saw for them making the 2B coffer gear look the same for both genders I noticed no one really thought about male players who don't want to crossplay and was expecting a "cool thing designed for them" that they could wear. I saw it a number of times, people being let down that they won a useless glam prize. That's kinda why gender locking is a thing, so that dudes aren't asked to wear female stuff and female characters can have girly stuff. I'm ok with them having interns or w/e unlock things in the background like they are doing now but I've no problem sucking it up that my female can't always have a dapper glam.

Female charcters would still get all the girly shet they got, only that males could also wear it and vice-versa. There have been way to many instances in this game where i have gotten a piece of armor i like and then when i equip it the pants for some obnoxious reason is turned into a skirt. The school outfit is how it should be. Want feminine clothing but playing a male char? No problem. Want masculine clothing but playing a female char? Again no problem.

And funny enough, male characters do in fact get both the male and female versions of the Yohra gear from copied factory, only that the male versions are role and sex locked.

[reivaxe]

Female charcters would still get all the girly shet they got, only that males could also wear it and vice-versa. There have been way to many instances in this game where i have gotten a piece of armor i like and then when i equip it the pants for some obnoxious reason is turned into a skirt. The school outfit is how it should be. Want feminine clothing but playing a male char? No problem. Want masculine clothing but playing a female char? Again no problem.

And funny enough, male characters do in fact get both the male and female versions of the Yohra gear from copied factory, only that the male versions are role and sex locked.

That only works if you live in a lala land where the devs are going to release twice the amount of gear in the same amount of time. Without gender locking they would make ONE version everyone can wear and end it there. That version would prob default to male most all the time because asking every dude in the game to do content for the reward of wearing something like this female version of this outfit would not go over well and would alienate a long amount of the playerbase.

The school outfit is actually a great example of why they don't do this when releasing stuff in game. Like hey, it's great that they made the boy and girl outfit work on both genders! I like that! But ... it's on the mogstation. If you want to mix and match then "TY for paying ...$36!" (If you just wanna buy 1 then "TY for $18!"). They don't get any more money from doing twice the amount of work just to let females have this dapper top and males wear this dress in a completely free in game event. Tis why I'm cool with them slowly having people work in the back ground to get some things to work on the other gender, it takes time and resources to make all this stuff work on a different gender.

Also, the gear in copied factory is gender locked, what you're thinking of is Puppets bunker ... which is mostly male leaning gear or gender natural and the only female leaning gear is still altered for men.

[GrizzlyTank]

That only works if you live in a lala land where the devs are going to release twice the amount of gear in the same amount of time.

Lala land? They are already releasing twice tha mount of gear in the same amount of time because of genderlocked variants. Neo-Ishgardian rigns a bell? Latest Eden set too.

Without gender locking they would make ONE version everyone can wear and end it there. That version would prob default to male most all the time because asking every dude in the game to do content for the reward of wearing something like this female version of this outfit would not go over well and would alienate a long amount of the playerbase.

And another example of them releasing two different armors in the same amount of time! While ignoring the sheer amount of players happy to actually get to wear a pair of skirt as a male character for once as seen with the school outfit. Not to mention the female players being allowed to wear PANTS! Was so unbelivably frustrated when we got that sleek looking scion outfit, only for the pants showing a very clear icon of pants become turned into a skirt...

But ok... let's live in thy lala land and assume we only got one of those set that valentine... aaaand the next valentine we got the other set. There, problem solved and everyone happy. You are making an faulty assumption that the gear would only be made with males in mind.

The payment fee is for the school outfit and most other mogstation content is something i am against. But the cost seems to be the way for gear they "can't" find ways to add to the game because reasons...

And for the nier sets, i was explicitly talking about 2b's outfit where at least female characters are stuck with variants of 2B's outfit while male get both her outfit and a dope looking jacket.

[reivaxe]

Lala land? They are already releasing twice tha mount of gear in the same amount of time because of genderlocked variants. Neo-Ishgardian rigns a bell? Latest Eden set too.

You don't seem to get it.

Neo set has a female design and a male design. You seem to think there's a switch they can flip to just make all the male gear work on females or something ... there isn't. Making either design work for the other gender is again "twice the work". If they just made 1 design it would, again, still require them to make it work on every gender/ race combo through QA and such which is really where the time sink goes. That's legit why YP said these are prob the last new races for the game, they can't keep up the pace with which they make gear if they have to QA anymore models with their current pipeline.

Making the gear fit right and look right is what takes time. So ultimately having a female only design and male only design isn't "twice the work" simply because they're different designs.

Think of it this way, if you think of the female Neo gears as it's own thing it's a gear that has to fit 8 models and the male version is a gear that has to fit 8 models. "Fit x number of models" is where the hard part is. If they make a single design that has to fit 16 models it's still designs that has to fit 16 models even if it's the same for both genders. Asking for genderlocks to be removed is asking for the female design to fit and work on 16 models and the male designs to fit and work on 16 models when again "fit x number of models" is the hard part.

Not to mention the female players being allowed to wear PANTS!

There's tons of pants females can wear in this game, don't act obtuse.

[Absurdity]

That's legit why YP said these are prob the last new races for the game, they can't keep up the pace with which they make gear if they have to QA anymore models with their current pipeline.

Then sorry, but his reason is just outright incorrect. Since 2.0 99% of female gear is entirely based on female midlanders, the different shapes are done through bone scaling. There are no different models for female characters besides lalafell (where male and female have basically the exact same body). Adding a new race that is also based on female midlander does not create more work for their gear, you already had to make gear for that body in the first place. The only extra workload they gain from adding new races are the race's original assets when they first make them, like head models, horns, other customization options and maybe racial gear.

The male characters have slightly more variation in models, you can't really achieve the Roegadyn body with bone scaling. Male Au Ra, Elezen and Midlander are all based on the derplander body, Roegadyn and Hrothgar share a model as well. The only outliers are Highlander, which sometimes uses the derplander model and sometimes has it's own model with thicker arms, and Lalafell which share a model between genders.

Adding Hrothgar and Viera didn't add any extra workload to their outfits since the model they use is already present on other races and the only extra workload they could've had, the headgear, has just been ignored.



You are however correct that converting female outfits to work on male bodies and vice versa would be twice the amount of work.

And if that costs extra resources, then they have messed up somewhere in how they add things to the game.

No, they didn't mess up, that is simply how creating outfits works unless you make male and female characters have the exact same body. There isn't some magical "make this work" button you can press to make gear fit a specific body shape, you have to make the gear fit the shape of the gender by hand and obviously if you have several different models for a character's body then you have to invest extra time/resources into making the gear fit those models.



Thinking that converting gear from one gender to another can be done with the press of a button is just willfully ignorant. If you make a dress for women in real life it will not automatically fit the body of a guy.

[reivaxe]

Then sorry, but his reason is just outright incorrect. Since 2.0 99% of female gear is entirely based on female midlanders, the different shapes are done through bone scaling. There are no different models for female characters besides lalafell (where male and female have basically the exact same body). Adding a new race that is also based on female midlander does not create more work for their gear, you already had to make gear for that body in the first place. The only extra workload they gain from adding new races are the race's original assets when they first make them, like head models, horns, other customization options and maybe racial gear.

The male characters have slightly more variation in models, you can't really achieve the Roegadyn body with bone scaling. Male Au Ra, Elezen and Midlander are all based on the derplander body, Roegadyn and Hrothgar share a model as well. The only outliers are Highlander, which sometimes uses the derplander model and sometimes has it's own model with thicker arms, and Lalafell which share a model between genders.

Adding Hrothgar and Viera didn't add any extra workload to their outfits since the model they use is already present on other races and the only extra workload they could've had, the headgear, has just been ignored.

No, you don't seem to get it.

Your character doesn't have a "Body", your character is made out of Legos. To put it simply, once you equip a top that top is now "your torso", there isn't anything underneath it. So yeah, there are 1000s of different "models" for females cause each thing that replaces a body part is a model that makes up your character. What you're likely thinking of is rigs, all females other than lala's use the same base rig. But what makes up their body is legos of gear that the devs have to make sure fit well and act right.

Here is what YP had to say ..
"In a Fan Festival keynote speech, I stated that this will likely be the last time we add new playable races to FFXIV. To put it simply, a tremendous amount of time and resources are required to develop one. I’m sure you all understand that a new race will require new faces, hairstyles, bodies, and other assets. In addition to this, they need to be capable of equipping all existing items—this alone requires a massive commitment of resources. Each race has a unique frame and body type, and so every piece of visible equipment needs to be carefully adjusted to display properly on Hrothgar and Viera models. A cursory search will show that FFXIV has around ten thousand equippable items already implemented, all of which must be manually modified by our designers. This is an immediate and unavoidable development cost incurred when adding a new race.

The addition of new playable races will impact more than the development cost of the items added in 5.1 and subsequent updates. Not only will we be transitioning from twelve variations (six races, two genders each) to fourteen, but we will also need to commit more resources to the development of new emotes. While FFXIV will continue to strive to maintain a regular 3.5 month major update cycle, we must also ensure that sufficient time is secured for the meticulous development of new content—or else the quality will invariably drop. This is a complex problem that can’t be solved simply by throwing more money or people at it, as it impacts both debugging and QA.

In summary, these are the circumstances which informed my previous statement that this is likely to be the last time we add new playable races; as at this point in time, it is difficult to see us maintaining our patch update schedule if we have to account for more than seven races and two genders (technically six races with two genders and two races with a single gender, but this is the functional equivalent)."

[Packetdancer]

Female charcters would still get all the girly shet they got, only that males could also wear it and vice-versa. There have been way to many instances in this game where i have gotten a piece of armor i like and then when i equip it the pants for some obnoxious reason is turned into a skirt.

*gestures emphatically towards her signature re: healers and pants*

And funny enough, male characters do in fact get both the male and female versions of the Yohra gear from copied factory, only that the male versions are role and sex locked.

Yeah, I was actually a little salty about that. Because the 9S coats looked amazing, but those were for male characters only. (I have been appeased by the Type-53 fending coat from Puppets' Bunker. Yes, come to me, my precious, you shall be the center of many a Gunbreaker glam going forward...)

I get that in many cases, you need the various race/gender combinations to be individually modeled, so I'm actually okay with them not going back and having to add new models for every single piece of race/gender-locked gear that already exists; that would be a massive time commitment from the art department. And as much as I feel a little salt when I see an NPC in an amazing outfit that I'll never be able to make because it consists of a scouting piece, two aiming pieces, a tank piece, and a gatherer piece or whatever... I do get wanting various gear to stay job-locked.

But I really, really wish that like 70% of the gear out there didn't turn into a skirt, stockings, or underwear when I put it on.