Nature of the Sound

[Riastrad]

I'm not sure why you're thinking Venat figures into the symbolism of the Eden fight - she's never talked about there. Ryne's form is just representing Hydaelyn's Light as opposed to Shiva's ice, perhaps with a nod back to her blonde appearance while she was Minfilia's vessel.

Only due to Venat being Hydaelyn's heart. Shiva as a primal retained a portion of her physical likeness. Why wouldn't the same go for Venat as Hydaelyn? Nothing in this game is coincidental. SE has always been extremely careful when it comes to details.


Take the Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow reference for example. You posted it in regard to Kesey's post.

I'm not that good on Shakespeare references so I had to look that up.

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1533/1533-h/1533-h.htm

Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life’s but a walking shadow; a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

It doesn't really fit with the song to me, besides a loose similarity about life being ephemeral - but this is regretful and the song is more joyous, about living on in memory.

Authors of our fates
Orchestrate our fall from grace
Poorest players on the stage
Our defiance drives us straight to the edge
A reflection in the glass
Recollections of our past
Swift as darkness, cold as ash
Far beyond this dream of paradise lost

These lyrics, taken from the Shadowbringers theme along with the lyrics to Tomorrow and Tomorrow, are in sync with each another. He's right. Emet had a change of heart the moment he had made the Fourteenth's stone in secret. He wanted a better way forward. He only asked not to forget them and to learn from their mistakes. The "Swift as darkness, cold as ash" is about rash actions and their results.

Rock of ages, we cast the first stone
In our cages, we know not what we do

Indecision here at the crossroads
Recognition, tomorrow's come too soon

Follow blindly like lambs to slaughter
At the mercy of those who ply the sword

As our song wends dead underwater
We're forgotten for now and evermore

See? It all connects to each other. Every detail compliments the other.


Edited, Sorry Iscah. I had yet to finish the post.

[Iscah]

Only due to Venat being Hydaelyn's heart. Shiva as a primal retained a portion of her physical likeness. Why wouldn't the same go for Venat as Hydaelyn?

Because we're not seeing "Venat as Hydaelyn" in this portrayal. We're seeing Ryne as Hydaelyn, portraying a concept of the goddess either as we pictured it or more likely as she pictures it from what she's been told. She looks like Minfilia, the Oracle of Light she has already seen. At one point she makes the same pose as we see Hydaelyn in the mural stomping down on Zodiark.

Also, I don't think we have ever seen the original Shiva clearly enough to comment whether Ysayle-as-primal-Shiva resembles her at all, beyond that they both happen to be Elezen women. I don't think primal Shiva looks particularly like Ysayle anyway - certainly less than Eden Shiva looks like Ryne.

Nothing in this game is coincidental. SE has always been extremely careful when it comes to details.

Take the Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow reference for example. You posted some of it in regard to Kesy's post.

Authors of our fates
Orchestrate our fall from grace
Poorest players on the stage
Our defiance drives us straight to the edge
A reflection in the glass
Recollections of our past
Swift as darkness, cold as ash
Far beyond this dream of paradise lost

These lyrics, taken from the Shadowbringers theme, are in sync with another. He's right.

While that lyric does seem to be a reference, I was talking about the song titled "Tomorrow and Tomorrow".

And just because they're "careful of the details" isn't proof that Ryne is somehow taking on the appearance of Venat and not a certain blonde woman dressed in white who we (and she) can already recognise and associate with the element of Light.