Southern Front Problems

[Vahlnir]

There's a segment of the population who are getting tired of SE trying to revitalize old content by putting the relic or anything else in there (crafting is another)

Embrace the new content, design for it. Not the content that is now 4 years old.

They did do that this time around...somewhat, but they also made old content (HW fates) the most efficient way to grind out the relic, even though it was started through the Bozja content. The most efficient way should have been through the Bozjan Southern Front. Or at the very least, it should have been on par with HW fates. There should be a 100% drop rate for memories of the dying from Fates in there. Maybe lock the Bitter Memories behind Critical Engagements but give them a 100% drop rate. Just a couple ideas. They should have put all of that in Castrum as well, along with some excellent exp gains.

[Vickii]

I do understand the viewpoint that they’re using the relic to boost the HW areas so it looks better to people on the free trial.

But it’s also fair to say a lot of people were angry about having to do Eureka for the relic, even when it was current. I personally have ARR and HW ones which I farmed retrospectively, but Eureka seems like way too much for someone coming in just now.

So I guess they didn’t want to put the relic totally behind divisive content that may die in the future. But honestly I really like Bozja, and you could definetly solo a relic there so far.

[SturmChurro]

This is an easy answer. The free trial.

Free trial goes up to lvl 60 now. The FFXIV Developers want that content to seem "alive", so the put the most efficient way to get the relic there.

HW open world content and lvl 60 dungeons, and the leveling dungeon for a daily bitter memory

The fact they did it without outright admitting it chafes me a bit. It's blatantly obvious.

Does seem more than a little sus...

So... you would have wanted them to design new Fates for the Heavensward areas?
I'm not sure I'm following the alternative path you're proposing.

Why even work for your level 80 relic in level 60 content..

[Reksanden]

Hopefully, they'll keep these issues in mind for the next area - that is, if they don't address them in the Southern Front sooner than that.

[ItMe]

Why even work for your level 80 relic in level 60 content..

As has been stated multiple times in this thread:
The popular speculation is because Heavensward is now part of the free trial, they wanna funnel more people back to those areas to help them be more regularly populated.

Do you disagree with this reasoning?
And if so, what alternate paths to getting the relic do you think would have been more appropriate?

[SturmChurro]

As has been stated multiple times in this thread:
The popular speculation is because Heavensward is now part of the free trial, they wanna funnel more people back to those areas to help them be more regularly populated.

Do you disagree with this reasoning?
And if so, what alternate paths to getting the relic do you think would have been more appropriate?

Level 80 content, for our level 80 relic...



We shouldn't be going to HW for our ShB relic.. Deceptus already said it best:

There's a segment of the population who are getting tired of SE trying to revitalize old content by putting the relic or anything else in there (crafting is another)

Embrace the new content, design for it. Not the content that is now 4 years old.

We don't want to go to Heavensward at all for it. Doing Borzja is all but outright discouraged right now. All for faux game activity.

[Theodric]

Yeah, I had my fill of Heavensward back in Heavensward. I'm all for the game world being more populated but I think that should be done by making the game world itself more relevant in the long term. Some sort of archaeology system to encourage players to go visit older zones to dig for treasure, furniture, crafting materials and other goodies would be delightful.

[ItMe]

Level 80 content, for our level 80 relic...

Ok.
Yeah.
Makes sense.
Like what?
What content would you have liked to see?
Do you think they could have put them in ShB Fates instead? Or are people as burned out on Fate grinding? Could it be tied to duty completion like the Bitter Memories are? Or is that tired too? Could they have them hidden behind level 80 trials instead? If you'd like to see something wholly new as the alternative non-Bozja way of attaining the relic, what do you think it'd have to be like to be successful?

You don't like their Heavensward Fates idea.
What would you have liked instead?

I keep asking people what they think would have been a better. / preferred alternative and they keep ducking the question.
Is this just an uninteresting / bad question, am I asking it wrong, or am I missing something?

[Seraphor]

Level 80 content, for our level 80 relic...

Relic grind has always been there as a way to populate previous instances or areas. Although this is the first time it's been 2 expansions back.
Bozja is the level 80 content though.
I'd just be happy if the RNG on the HW FATEs was lower, <50% at least so that Bozja remained the best way to obtain them.

[SturmChurro]

Ok.
Yeah.
Makes sense.
Like what?
What content would you have liked to see?
Do you think they could have put them in ShB Fates instead? Or are people as burned out on Fate grinding? Could it be tied to duty completion like the Bitter Memories are? Or is that tired too? Could they have them hidden behind level 80 trials instead? If you'd like to see something wholly new as the alternative non-Bozja way of attaining the relic, what do you think it'd have to be like to be successful?

You don't like their Heavensward Fates idea.
What would you have liked instead?

I keep asking people what they think would have been a better. / preferred alternative and they keep ducking the question.
Is this just an uninteresting / bad question, am I asking it wrong, or am I missing something?

To start, they could make Borzja more rewarding. Despite all I have said, there is some good content in Borzja. The Critical Engagements are a nice feature (though, I disagree with players being locked out), a feature I wouldn't mind being seen in other areas of the game. Castrum is a decent raid, and nobody wants to do it. Make people want to do it.

Sure, why not put them in ShB FATEs instead? I'd rather farm ShB fates than HW FATEs. Many may have not already completed their ShB FATE farming, and some active trains would be nice to see for people. At least we would have most of our kit. Yes, they could simply copy and paste HW FATEs/Duty completion to ShB FATEs/Duty completion, and I still think it would have been a better alternative. It would be successful regardless, just as people now are (were) running around in large numbers over in HW. Would it be well received, that's the question. A lot of factors would be at play at that point. The quality of Borzja, droprates, etc.

Relic grind has always been there as a way to populate previous instances or areas. Although this is the first time it's been 2 expansions back.
Bozja is the level 80 content though.
I'd just be happy if the RNG on the HW FATEs was lower, <50% at least so that Bozja remained the best way to obtain them.

The guaranteed droprate over in HW is definitely way too high in comparison to Borzja. Borzja should be the main, encouraged, source, and HW should be the alternative. NOT the other way around.