Southern Front Problems

[ItMe]

Why even work for your level 80 relic in level 60 content..

As has been stated multiple times in this thread:
The popular speculation is because Heavensward is now part of the free trial, they wanna funnel more people back to those areas to help them be more regularly populated.

Do you disagree with this reasoning?
And if so, what alternate paths to getting the relic do you think would have been more appropriate?

[SturmChurro]

As has been stated multiple times in this thread:
The popular speculation is because Heavensward is now part of the free trial, they wanna funnel more people back to those areas to help them be more regularly populated.

Do you disagree with this reasoning?
And if so, what alternate paths to getting the relic do you think would have been more appropriate?

Level 80 content, for our level 80 relic...



We shouldn't be going to HW for our ShB relic.. Deceptus already said it best:

There's a segment of the population who are getting tired of SE trying to revitalize old content by putting the relic or anything else in there (crafting is another)

Embrace the new content, design for it. Not the content that is now 4 years old.

We don't want to go to Heavensward at all for it. Doing Borzja is all but outright discouraged right now. All for faux game activity.

[ItMe]

Level 80 content, for our level 80 relic...

Ok.
Yeah.
Makes sense.
Like what?
What content would you have liked to see?
Do you think they could have put them in ShB Fates instead? Or are people as burned out on Fate grinding? Could it be tied to duty completion like the Bitter Memories are? Or is that tired too? Could they have them hidden behind level 80 trials instead? If you'd like to see something wholly new as the alternative non-Bozja way of attaining the relic, what do you think it'd have to be like to be successful?

You don't like their Heavensward Fates idea.
What would you have liked instead?

I keep asking people what they think would have been a better. / preferred alternative and they keep ducking the question.
Is this just an uninteresting / bad question, am I asking it wrong, or am I missing something?

[SturmChurro]

Ok.
Yeah.
Makes sense.
Like what?
What content would you have liked to see?
Do you think they could have put them in ShB Fates instead? Or are people as burned out on Fate grinding? Could it be tied to duty completion like the Bitter Memories are? Or is that tired too? Could they have them hidden behind level 80 trials instead? If you'd like to see something wholly new as the alternative non-Bozja way of attaining the relic, what do you think it'd have to be like to be successful?

You don't like their Heavensward Fates idea.
What would you have liked instead?

I keep asking people what they think would have been a better. / preferred alternative and they keep ducking the question.
Is this just an uninteresting / bad question, am I asking it wrong, or am I missing something?

To start, they could make Borzja more rewarding. Despite all I have said, there is some good content in Borzja. The Critical Engagements are a nice feature (though, I disagree with players being locked out), a feature I wouldn't mind being seen in other areas of the game. Castrum is a decent raid, and nobody wants to do it. Make people want to do it.

Sure, why not put them in ShB FATEs instead? I'd rather farm ShB fates than HW FATEs. Many may have not already completed their ShB FATE farming, and some active trains would be nice to see for people. At least we would have most of our kit. Yes, they could simply copy and paste HW FATEs/Duty completion to ShB FATEs/Duty completion, and I still think it would have been a better alternative. It would be successful regardless, just as people now are (were) running around in large numbers over in HW. Would it be well received, that's the question. A lot of factors would be at play at that point. The quality of Borzja, droprates, etc.

Relic grind has always been there as a way to populate previous instances or areas. Although this is the first time it's been 2 expansions back.
Bozja is the level 80 content though.
I'd just be happy if the RNG on the HW FATEs was lower, <50% at least so that Bozja remained the best way to obtain them.

The guaranteed droprate over in HW is definitely way too high in comparison to Borzja. Borzja should be the main, encouraged, source, and HW should be the alternative. NOT the other way around.

[ItMe]

Sure, why not put them in ShB FATEs instead? I'd rather farm ShB fates than HW FATEs. Many may have not already completed their ShB FATE farming, and some active trains would be nice to see for people. At least we would have most of our kit. Yes, they could simply copy and paste HW FATEs/Duty completion to ShB FATEs/Duty completion, and I still think it would have been a better alternative. It would be successful regardless, just as people now are (were) running around in large numbers over in HW. Would it be well received, that's the question. A lot of factors would be at play at that point. The quality of Borzja, droprates, etc.

Oh, hmm, I wonder though.
If you get memories from Heavensward Fates, all you get are the memories.
If you get them from Shadow Bringers Fates, you also get bicolor gems and level up / unlock the Fate shops.
If you could kill two birds with one stone while farming the Memories I wonder if Bozja would be even deader than it is now.

[SturmChurro]

Oh, hmm, I wonder though.
If you get memories from Heavensward Fates, all you get are the memories.
If you get them from Shadow Bringers Fates, you also get bicolor gems and level up / unlock the Fate shops.
If you could kill two birds with one stone while farming the Memories I wonder if Bozja would be even deader than it is now.

No, you can work on your Anima weapon as well in HW. I was getting a good amount of luminous crystals last time I was out there.

I will simply refer you to Seraphor's post:

I'd just be happy if the RNG on the HW FATEs was lower, <50% at least so that Bozja remained the best way to obtain them.

Swap "HW" with "ShB". In answer to your thought.

[ItMe]

No, you can work on your Anima weapon as well in HW. I was getting a good amount of luminous crystals last time I was out there.

Ahhhh, that's a good point.
There's only really overlap for the first part of the anima weapon (iirc), but that's still helpful and since it's the first step of the Heavensward relic you don't need to have one already at a certain point in the process to reap two rewards from doing those fates.
I hadn't considered that. I agree with you now.

[Deceptus]

No, you can work on your Anima weapon as well in HW. I was getting a good amount of luminous crystals last time I was out there.

Worst part is I have 45 from Coerthas, Forelands, and Hinterlands.

Because Sea of Clouds, and Asyz La suck for fates due to how open the map is (distance between fates) , and how poorly scaled Churning Mist fates are .

[Seraphor]

Level 80 content, for our level 80 relic...

Relic grind has always been there as a way to populate previous instances or areas. Although this is the first time it's been 2 expansions back.
Bozja is the level 80 content though.
I'd just be happy if the RNG on the HW FATEs was lower, <50% at least so that Bozja remained the best way to obtain them.