Southern Front Problems

[Alleo]

In my opinion it was probably a mistake to let people get the relics outside of Bozja, it was definitely a mistake to make it the fastest method.

I much prefer doing Bozja to grinding HW fates, but the knowledge that I'm playing inefficiently inherently saps some of the fun out of the content. I'm not the best player in the game but I do at least try to avoid deliberately playing the game wrong, and that's what engaging with the relic content to get my relic feels like, playing the game wrong. In the time I can get one from Bozja, I could have got two or maybe even three from Heavensward instead.

I do agree that its a bit strange that they made the version outside of Bozja into the more efficient one...at the same time my biggest problem with it is more that its not as optional as they said it would be...Eureka was imo a problem because it was the only way to get the relic...I was so happy when I heard that its not the case for the Shadowbringer one but in the end that is only half the truth....you can do it another way..but if you do that with your first relic you wont be able to do the next step because somehow Bozja is still mandatory...which in turn is bad for anyone that wants to do the relic later...

Right now I can do the ARR and HW relic whenever I feel like it. No matter how many others want to do it or not I can progress. With the last one and this one this is not the case anymore... you need to hope that other people are there and willing to grind through it in separate content. (And castrum is the worst since there is imo no real reason to do that if you dont want the coins)

Honestly in my opinion they should just get away from making new content for the relic...why not simply have it be for old content? Why was it changed so much? All the work put into it and yet it might stop people from doing it further down the way...

[NealSnow]

In my opinion it was probably a mistake to let people get the relics outside of Bozja, it was definitely a mistake to make it the fastest method.

I much prefer doing Bozja to grinding HW fates, but the knowledge that I'm playing inefficiently inherently saps some of the fun out of the content. I'm not the best player in the game but I do at least try to avoid deliberately playing the game wrong, and that's what engaging with the relic content to get my relic feels like, playing the game wrong. In the time I can get one from Bozja, I could have got two or maybe even three from Heavensward instead.

I felt the same way! I love the fights but getting your relic done in the content is so paaaaainfully slow its like a damn punishment for even doing it in the first place (probably a big reason it died so fast, its not optimal nor efficient and way to slow)

[Garnix]

1) True....but I don't see many people farming HW Fates either. People just moved on from the relic stuff for now. I don't think this impacted the longevity of the front that much.

2) I don't think so. The story itself is what drove casual players to do it. The upcoming raid is what drove more "hardcore" players to do it.
But the thing is....when you are at rank 15....why would you stay there? Even if you want all the weapons, you'd probably be done by now.
Also...Eureka had the bunnies. Bunnies were fun. Bring back bunnies.

3) The short-term future depends on the loot system in Delubrum. If we will be able to upgrade the Bozjan gear, people could go back to the front and farm coins. (but I think they said there will be new gear, not upgrades. not sure though)
If Delubrum doesn't drop many fragments, the front will be populated with many farm parties too.
We don't even know how Delubrum works. Maybe dying there will make you lose mettle, and you'll have to go back to the front to get your mettle back to queue for Delubrum again.
And we do not know what the 5.5 part of the relic will be like either, so it is hard to predict.

IMO, the main issue with Bozja is Castrum. In Eureka, the boss of each zone used to have unique loots, which they had to make obtainable via other ways later on, because there was basically not enough people doing the boss fates anymore...
For the Castrum, due to the way it is implemented in the story, I don't know how they will be able to work around the same situation. Same for Delubrum normal mode. You'll probably want to run this on day one....


Also....they should make Bozja a better place to farm tomestones. I'd rather do that over dungeons and hunts to get my weekly cap. I might be wrong, but I believe Eureka was a lot more generous for that...

[Vahlnir]

It is very likely that you entered a fresh instance, OP. Try to requeue a few times and you will probably end up in a full or reasonably populated instance. One queue is not enough proof that the content is dying or dead since instances "die" after awhile and new ones are created. That said, Bozja needs more incentives to keep people coming back. I cannot disagree with that. But it is not dead content, at least not yet. Castrum Lacus Litore maybe, but that has its own share of problems.

[NealSnow]

It is very likely that you entered a fresh instance, OP. Try to requeue a few times and you will probably end up in a full or reasonably populated instance. One queue is not enough proof that the content is dying or dead since instances "die" after awhile and new ones are created. That said, Bozja needs more incentives to keep people coming back. I cannot disagree with that. But it is not dead content, at least not yet. Castrum Lacus Litore maybe, but that has its own share of problems.

I did reenter multiple times, even waited an hour tried again and there was then only 2 people in it. The same 2 people I saw a few times mind you.

[Seraphor]

The funny thing is, people complained about Eureka being the only way to get the relic, and that Eureka wasn't fun.

I think Bozja is an improvement on Eureka in almost every way, and actually makes for a rather fun grind, as far as grinds go, and I wouldn't mind getting my Relic purely through Bozja, but they also addressed that other complaint, and added an external method.
It's almost like addressing both these issues cancelled each other out, and now Bozja isn't a fun way to get the Relic because you know there's a better method.

[Vickii]

Not sure what time you tried but I’ve been going in lately and on my server it’s generally full enough - we usually get full groups for CE and fates die quickly and cluster farms are up. There’s talk in about etc. But I have noticed some things.

1) for some reason the instance seems to die, no one new can join in and I ended up literally on my own. But when I went out and came back in full group again.

2) it does seem to die around midnight, but it’s Christmas time and this isn’t really 3am farming stuff.

3) I got my 20/20/20 just fine in bozja and they should have stuck to this to help keep the instance alive. Because people will always do the fastest most simplest route in this case HW fates.

4) vets won’t help queue for castrum and we always fall a few people short of what we need. I guess there’s little incentive for them and they can lose xp, although it’s a bit frustrating when they lecture us on how we only need 16 people when most of them were probably carried through it with a big group in launch. At minimum they shouldn’t lose xp for helping us, when they’re probably in bozja farming xp. Also again the bozja coins are available to those who completed castrum once through other methods, which much like the 20/20/20 is unnecessary and doesn’t encourage them to run castrum.

I don’t think Bozja is dead, lots of people still doing the fates and levelling in there. But I question putting another 48 man instance when the first one already died in a few months.

[Vahlnir]

I don’t think Bozja is dead, lots of people still doing the fates and levelling in there. But I question putting another 48 man instance when the first one already died in a few months.

From what we've heard so far, they are going to have a "story mode" 24 man raid for the next, and a Savage version for those daring enough. Savage will also have its own unique rewards to incentivize players to keep doing it. It seems like they got the message. We just need to see what they actually do with it.

[NealSnow]

Not sure what time you tried but I’ve been going in lately and on my server it’s generally full enough - we usually get full groups for CE and fates die quickly and cluster farms are up. There’s talk in about etc. But I have noticed some things.

1) for some reason the instance seems to die, no one new can join in and I ended up literally on my own. But when I went out and came back in full group again.

2) it does seem to die around midnight, but it’s Christmas time and this isn’t really 3am farming stuff.

3) I got my 20/20/20 just fine in bozja and they should have stuck to this to help keep the instance alive. Because people will always do the fastest most simplest route in this case HW fates.

4) vets won’t help queue for castrum and we always fall a few people short of what we need. I guess there’s little incentive for them and they can lose xp, although it’s a bit frustrating when they lecture us on how we only need 16 people when most of them were probably carried through it with a big group in launch. At minimum they shouldn’t lose xp for helping us, when they’re probably in bozja farming xp. Also again the bozja coins are available to those who completed castrum once through other methods, which much like the 20/20/20 is unnecessary and doesn’t encourage them to run castrum.

I don’t think Bozja is dead, lots of people still doing the fates and levelling in there. But I question putting another 48 man instance when the first one already died in a few months.

I don't get why it's HW area's also like... HW had its use of being a relic area with HW, why not stormblood since the only relic area was eureka idk I just find it odd that put them in HW again.

[ItMe]

I don't get why it's HW area's also like... HW had its use of being a relic area with HW, why not stormblood since the only relic area was eureka idk I just find it odd that put them in HW again.

The popular speculation is because Heavensward is now part of the free trial, they wanna funnel more people back to those areas to help them be more regularly populated.