[FEEDBACK] Redemption for Striked Accounts

[Caitsithhh]

No.

Also they should permaban people using parser.

Who hurt you?

SE has made it so not talking is the only safe route to take. Calling “bads” bad, jail. Using facts to show someone they’re not doing as good as they think, jail. Defending yourself in the heat of the moment, jail. List goes on, jajajajajaja. So safest route you ask? DISCORD! Permanent strikes on a sub based mmo is actually -insert banned word-...

[Caitsithhh]

Cuz censorship in the West is big right? Gg

[Vickii]

So first off ERP is.... honestly this is an anime game and lots of young people play it and the whole community finder is full of mistress Veronica is going to whip you. Gtfo to porn hub or wherever. ERPers literally do deserve to be banned for this stuff, it’s not cute, it’s weird and you should keep it to yourselves if you really have to do it.

Secondly why is it important to know which of the things that breaks the rules (sexual content, using a disparaging word for disabled people as a slur) is what got you in trouble? Just stop breaking the rules and you won’t get banned. Being ‘European’ isn’t an excuse for being abusive. Sounds like you’ve been very lucky and square have been too lenient IMO.

[AshBrighter]

How is cussing a slip? You literally have all the time between thinking the thought and typing it out and pressing enter on your keyboard to think the action through and be like "Oh hey perhaps I should keep it clean. My bad."

EDIT: Also, I agree that botting should be an instant perma-ban as should use of all third party programs. I 100% believe they are being too lenient and understanding and should take a zero-tolerance approach instead. I understand this will upset a certain subsection of the community that relies on them for raiding, but it's completely destroying another subsection of the game.

I definitely don't have any qualms against making botting a permaban. Like you said, they're extremely lenient with it as it is. As for the prior comment, like mentioned in the OP there are grey zones where people take offense to something that other people don't. i.e. the word mentioned in the OP, there are more cases like that, especially recently with certain terms changing meaning. Again, I'm not arguing against making reports against these invalid. I'm arguing for not having the strikes that occur be permanent and/or be irreversible through community effort.

So first off ERP is.... honestly this is an anime game and lots of young people play it and the whole community finder is full of mistress Veronica is going to whip you. Gtfo to porn hub or wherever. ERPers literally do deserve to be banned for this stuff, it’s not cute, it’s weird and you should keep it to yourselves if you really have to do it.

Secondly why is it important to know which of the things that breaks the rules (sexual content, using a disparaging word for disabled people as a slur) is what got you in trouble? Just stop breaking the rules and you won’t get banned. Being ‘European’ isn’t an excuse for being abusive. Sounds like you’ve been very lucky and square have been too lenient IMO.

When did I ever mention that it's cute or that it's okay to be advertised publicly? It goes without saying that it should be private, the community finder definitely makes me cringe. What I'm saying is that calling myself a d-g-n-r-t- jokingly shouldn't be reason for someone else to take offense and report me over it to lose my account.

As for the latter argument, because you have no clue what got you in trouble in the first place. That "disparaging word for disabled people" has a completely different meaning in Europe and it's used all the time here. Not to mention that I am disabled and I fit in that category, and I don't take offense to it. If I did get banned over using it, I'd know that I shouldn't use it again and I'm aware of it. There's an extreme amount of nuance here.

[Absurdity]

As for the latter argument, because you have no clue what got you in trouble in the first place. That "disparaging word for disabled people" has a completely different meaning in Europe and it's used all the time here. Not to mention that I am disabled and I fit in that category, and I don't take offense to it. If I did get banned over using it, I'd know that I shouldn't use it again and I'm aware of it. There's an extreme amount of nuance here.

Basically this. What people in the EU find offensive and what people in the US find offensive is quite different. I probably wouldn't use the "disparaging word for disabled people" as an example since even here I've rarely seen it thrown around like free candy, but I can imagine that the usual banter can suddenly get you in trouble because there's that one US player showing up on the EU data center, not that uncommon with how unrestricted XIV is when it comes to switching data centers, and you won't ever know why you got in trouble in the first place. This is basically why some people advise you to just not talk in-game at all, "offensive" is too broad of a term that can vastly differ depending on regions.

[HyoMinPark]

Secondly why is it important to know which of the things that breaks the rules (sexual content, using a disparaging word for disabled people as a slur) is what got you in trouble? Just stop breaking the rules and you won’t get banned.

Because the following conversation makes very little sense:

GM: You’re getting a temporary suspension because you broke the ToS.
Player: Okay. What did I do/which rule did I break so I can know not to do this again in the future?
GM: Well, we can’t tell you that. Just don’t do it again.

The GMs are not very transparent about what transgression gets players in trouble, so it makes it really hard to rectify the behavior. If you get a ticket for parking in loading zone, then you know not to park there in the future. However, if you’re suspended with “just don’t do this again”, you don’t know what you did in the first place and you don’t know which behavior to rectify.

I’ve seen some people talk about reports from players regarding incidents that happened weeks/months prior that finally got addressed after some time, and they can’t seem to recall the specifics of what happened. Maybe they’d had a bad day and got snappy in party chat and someone got upset about it; but if they aren’t told “hey, you used some pretty strong language a few weeks ago during [dungeon run]—just avoid doing this again in the future”, then how do they know what to fix? I know I can’t remember bad run-ins that happened a few weeks ago because I tend to just wash my hands of them after an hour or so—perhaps this is the case for others.

Transparency on the offense would be good for players facing strikes to have so that they can ensure not to get the same strike later, and/or carefully monitor their future behavior. While there is no excuse when it comes to using derogatory speech or hate speech in chat, cursing is something that gets people in trouble despite this game having built-in chat censors for it. Transparency can also be given without outright revealing who may have reported someone, as I’ve seen some people express concerns about retaliation against the person who filed the report by the reported player.

[technole]

A bad day doesn't mean you can take it out on other players. The people who are surprised usually have a habit of being in the grey area for a ban but finally got caught. Whether saying offending words regularly but never been reported, streaming toxicity, etc. Spam or language I would believe are easy slip ups for bans.

The profanity filter is just a client setting, it doesn't preclude what you wrote in the server logs which some people will never understand. It's there so you don't unintentionally see it from some shout or linkshell chat, you might be streaming without a chat blocker and that's useful for that too. But if you are targeting someone with that language, you can be reported by anyone. Or at the very least get blacklisted, but all that does is ignore the chat. It's not hard for some GM to likely see a report saying this player wrote some offending language at 1/2/21 @ 12:25 GMT, and it's right there in the log. That's how easy it is.

Other bans like twitch streamers using language against other players live have occurred. Then there are more 'please don't leak' bans like the person on twitter whom data-mined and leaked TEA patch content that hadn't been seen live yet.

[Seraphor]

As a technical EU resident until January 1st, I can't say I see that word used all that often. Except for one particular group of WoW raiders my partner plays with, who are all dutch teenagers.
So I can't say whether it's a european thing, or a teenage boy thing, or hell it could even be a WoW thing. But basically every other sentence that erupts from his discord when he's playing with them is "you f-ing r-tard"
My question is, why is it necessary? 'idiot' works just as well.

Seems to me it's more a matter of growing up, than a disparity of culture. We've all been there, everyone in high school thinks it's cool as f-ck to swear every f-cking other sh!t-ass word and it just becomes a f-cking habit. But you grow out of it.
If it's something you're likely to get banned for, just start growing up now.

[Absurdity]

As a technical EU resident until January 1st, I can't say I see that word used all that often. Except for one particular group of WoW raiders my partner plays with, who are all dutch teenagers.
So I can't say whether it's a european thing, or a teenage boy thing, or hell it could even be a WoW thing. But basically every other sentence that erupts from his discord when he's playing with them is "you f-ing r-tard"
My question is, why is it necessary? 'idiot' works just as well.

Seems to me it's more a matter of growing up, than a disparity of culture. We've all been there, everyone in high school thinks it's cool as f-ck to swear every f-cking other sh!t-ass word and it just becomes a f-cking habit. But you grow out of it.
If it's something you're likely to get banned for, just start growing up now.

And there's where you're wrong. Everything you've listed in your examples are just straight up insults and sure, even there you have people who may get offended by them and some who may not, but we aren't talking solely about insults.

[Sove92]

I think the point is being missed here.

The problem is in the strict escalation policy. If you have for example, received a 3 day suspension even once, for whatever reason, even the tiniest of offenses is guaranteed to earn you a 10 or 20 in the future, even if your original penalty was five years ago. Given how incredibly unlikely it is to get banned for botting, the system really only hurts legitimate players who can get caught up in DF drama, because we are all human.

GMs also don't apply permanent bans (20d suspension is the maximum they can do and it's the only one you can get multiple times), so I'm not sure what the OP is on about with that one, terminations are entirely up to the account admin team in Japan.

If you are an EU citizen, provided you got banned for something chat related, you can actually get a log of exactly what you got banned for.