QoL change with tank stance.

[Kewitt]

It should be reversed.

Seeing how basically the only time a tank should have a tank stance on. Is while in raid content?

Seeing as this is the case. I don't know how many times I've had to tell tanks to turn it on.

Where has if it was on by default like some of the DoL ability I think it would be very helpful. You would have to actively turn it off.

[Ammokkx]

I'm like 99% sure the reason stances get turned off on sync has something to do with spaghetti code rather than an intentional dev choice.

Every kind of buff gets removed from your character when you level sync. Go kill a mob as SAM and then do a FATE that syncs you down- you'll lose your Kenki and your Sen, for example. Tank Stance is most likely coded in a similar way.

Mostly has to do with how level sync works. Don't know how hard or easy it would be to get around that part.

[Puremallace]

Bozdja?!?! Eureka?!?!? Hunt trains?!?!? Fates?!?!

Lots of good reasons to use it outside of a raid. I do agree it is annoying in instances and there should be a menu option to auto enable it. Only reason it would apply only to dungeons is because tanks use it to reduce and increase aggro in raids to do quicker tank swaps.

[Vahlnir]

My problem isn't usually getting others to turn theirs on, it's getting them to turn them off. lol On more than one occasion I have zoned into a trial or raid, seen the other tank did not have their stance active and turned mine on. I would then start a countdown and OH WAIT, THE OTHER TANK WANTS TO TANK NOW! They turn theirs on and just...rush in. But you go, you totally awesome tank who had to be first! One of my biggest pet peeves right there. It isn't a contest. It's supposed to be teamwork.

[Tint]

My problem isn't usually getting others to turn theirs on, it's getting them to turn them off. lol On more than one occasion I have zoned into a trial or raid, seen the other tank did not have their stance active and turned mine on. I would then start a countdown and OH WAIT, THE OTHER TANK WANTS TO TANK NOW! They turn theirs on and just...rush in. But you go, you totally awesome tank who had to be first! One of my biggest pet peeves right there. It isn't a contest. It's supposed to be teamwork.

Yes, this is the far bigger problem. Since ShB release, when the damage penalty was removed from the stances, all the tanks are running around with the stance active all the time. It is quite annoying in alliance raids and trials...

[Vahlnir]

Yes, this is the far bigger problem. Since ShB release, when the damage penalty was removed from the stances, all the tanks are running around with the stance active all the time. It is quite annoying in alliance raids and trials...

Just speaking from personal experience. Never said it was a far bigger problem.

[Gokuhan]

I don't know how many times I've had to tell tanks to turn it on.

I constantly see tanks turning it on, leaving it on, and competing for aggro. The system is fine as-is. It's not a system failure, it's a player failure.

[WhiteArchmage]

My problem isn't usually getting others to turn theirs on, it's getting them to turn them off. lol On more than one occasion I have zoned into a trial or raid, seen the other tank did not have their stance active and turned mine on. I would then start a countdown and OH WAIT, THE OTHER TANK WANTS TO TANK NOW! They turn theirs on and just...rush in. But you go, you totally awesome tank who had to be first! One of my biggest pet peeves right there. It isn't a contest. It's supposed to be teamwork.

Ugh, this was the worst when levelling tank. Go in duty, no one turns it on, I use it, do countdown and everything, suddenly my tank buddy decides he actually wants to tank!

[Vahlnir]

Ugh, this was the worst when levelling tank. Go in duty, no one turns it on, I use it, do countdown and everything, suddenly my tank buddy decides he actually wants to tank!

And then you stare at each other awkwardly, one waiting for the other to make the first move. Then you take yours off, and they still do nothing. It is only when you start to do anything at all that they sprint toward the boss. I don't think some people realize that "main tank" and "off tank" are a thing. Only one tank needs the stance active unless there are...issues. Sadly, half the tanks I run into haven't gotten that memo.

[Jojoya]

And then you stare at each other awkwardly, one waiting for the other to make the first move. Then you take yours off, and they still do nothing. It is only when you start to do anything at all that they sprint toward the boss. I don't think some people realize that "main tank" and "off tank" are a thing. Only one tank needs the stance active unless there are...issues. Sadly, half the tanks I run into haven't gotten that memo.

And it's because of "issues" that both tanks should have their stance on.

First time into SoS on one of my alts (it had been out for over 2 months at that point) and I ended up MT even though I had asked the other tank to take MT since I had never tanked it on my other characters. He never replied, didn't turn his stance on. After waiting more than enough time for him to respond, I went ahead and pulled the boss.

At about 25%, I got a 90002 error and DC'd. Took me a minute to get logged in and back to the instance. The other tank had finally turned his stance on while I was DC'd but evidently hadn't thought to Provoke so he still wasn't at the top of the enmity table. DPS had been dying one by one and the boss had just turned to one of the healers. As soon as I was loaded and realized he was not in control of the boss, I Provoked and the healers were able to get the rest of the party back up. (Welcome to why I hate only being able to comm one player per instance - both those healers deserved it.)

If he had had his stance on from the start, it wouldn't have made a difference how bad a tank he was. The boss still would have stuck to him like glue the moment I DC'd instead of going after the DPS.

It is not hard to manage enmity when you need to. We can toggle stance off for a few GCDs to let the other tank get a comfy lead. We do have Shirk. If the other tank is still having trouble staying on top of the enmity table, they probably shouldn't be MT.

Obviously, enmity is more difficult to handle in an Alliance raid but there's still no reason to leave stance always off as OT. If it's always off, then you might as well just come as a DPS.