Do the Scions know? (Spoilers)

[Lium]

This could possibly be a spoiler even though it's been out for a while now, so I'm not going to hide it. If you think that's necessary, just let me know and I'll put spoiler tags around the below.

But specifically, do Urianger and Y'shtola know that we are Azem or at least an Ancient? I'm wondering if a conversation happened off-screen. Because I'm very curious to see how they would react to that. And if they haven't been told, do you think we are waiting for the right moment?

They already know that Ardbert shares the same soul as us. Surely that would raise questions?

[Veloran]

Urianger's talk of Azeyma/Azim being analogues for Azem shows that they were told about Azem being the fourteenth seat of the Convocation, but I'm not sure if they were told about you being a shard of that soul.

[Kesey]

This could possibly be a spoiler even though it's been out for a while now, so I'm not going to hide it. If you think that's necessary, just let me know and I'll put spoiler tags around the below.

But specifically, do Urianger and Y'shtola know that we are Azem or at least an Ancient? I'm wondering if a conversation happened off-screen. Because I'm very curious to see how they would react to that. And if they haven't been told, do you think we are waiting for the right moment?

They already know that Ardbert shares the same soul as us. Surely that would raise questions?

I don't think the WOL really keeps secrets like this. Too often we have cutscenes pull away where the WOL is explaining everything. So I'm sure they know and the conversation with Urianger is proof of this.

[Iscah]

Yeah, there's no real reason for us to keep it a secret - plus if we told them any part of what we learned about Azem, they'd likely guess the rest of it.

They already know that Ardbert shares the same soul as us. Surely that would raise questions?

What questions would that raise, though? Everyone is a sundered soul. There's nothing remarkable about us and Ardbert being fragments of the same soul (not considering the identity of the soul), besides the fact that we found each other.

[Vulcwen]

It's still very much in the air whether the Scions know.

What is provided in game is:
- Urianger knows about Azem.
- We told the Scions that 'an Ancient' helped us in the battle against Elidibus.
- The scions know that Ardbert and the WoL are/were shards of each other.
- We didn't tell Y'shtola anything of the constellation stones prior to the battle.

Also notable is that the summoning spell hasn't been brought up in the discussions at all, so I think there is a good chance that our character didn't tell everything. The scions might still have their suspicions though.

[SannaR]

It's still very much in the air whether the Scions know.

What is provided in game is:
- Urianger knows about Azem.
- We told the Scions that 'an Ancient' helped us in the battle against Elidibus.
- The scions know that Ardbert and the WoL are/were shards of each other.
- We didn't tell Y'shtola anything of the constellation stones prior to the battle.

Also notable is that the summoning spell hasn't been brought up in the discussions at all, so I think there is a good chance that our character didn't tell everything. The scions might still have their suspicions though.

I think this is how things are. Considering Y'shtola asked us if everything was wrong and we just shake our head. Along with how her and Urianger both had a small chat that we over heard about how the Lightwarden light wasn't being absorbed just being contained. I would like to think those two would have had another talk about what to think or do with knowing we used to be co-workers at the slightest with the Ascians. I'm not sure we know that we used to be friends of Emet's as you can be just a friend of a friend or any of the other Ascians.

[Rannie]

I think this is how things are. Considering Y'shtola asked us if everything was wrong and we just shake our head. Along with how her and Urianger both had a small chat that we over heard about how the Lightwarden light wasn't being absorbed just being contained. I would like to think those two would have had another talk about what to think or do with knowing we used to be co-workers at the slightest with the Ascians. I'm not sure we know that we used to be friends of Emet's as you can be just a friend of a friend or any of the other Ascians.

Eh except when we use the crystal during the Elidibus fight in 5.3 we hear emet Selch specifically state that Azem was his dearest friend and Hythlodaeus said that that crystal was back were it belongs when he first gave it to us.

Herein I commit the chronicle of the traveler. Shepherd to the stars in the dark. Though the world be sundered and our souls set adrift, where you walk, my dearest friend, fate shall surely follow. For yours is the Fourteenth seat—the seat of Azem

Edit: Also, if memory serves me correctly the Scions or some of them have basically said that it didn't matter who we were in the past or if someone else was split from our soul, we are who we are currently. Nothing more nothing less. Same thing when Seto said our souls where Strikingly similar to Ardbert's.

Im sure they most likely know whats going on they just completely refuse to comment on it as it isn't "who we are in the here and now"

[YianKutku]

Edit: Also, if memory serves me correctly the Scions or some of them have basically said that it didn't matter who we were in the past or if someone else was split from our soul, we are who we are currently. Nothing more nothing less. Same thing when Seto said our souls where Strikingly similar to Ardbert's.

Im sure they most likely know whats going on they just completely refuse to comment on it as it isn't "who we are in the here and now"

Yeah, it's a major theme of at least Shadowbringers, with its emphasis on souls, but also a recurring theme throughout FFXIV (and plenty of other media). Seto himself did say that even if our soul looked similar to Ardbert's, that means very little, since a soul does not define a person.

There was also the short story about Seto and Ardbert, where we learn that Ardbert became an adventurer who helped people not because he was a shard of Azem's soul, but simply because he grew up in a small village in Kholusia where everyone helped each other.

[Veloran]

that means very little, since a soul does not define a person.

I think if anything can be said to define a person, it's their soul. And that statement kind of falls flat when you consider the people we know to be shards of each other, and see that they all share major similarities. Yes Ardbert grew up helping others in a small village, but it's hard to say that he wouldn't have ended up a helpful adventurer anyway given that WoL can quite literally be anyone from anywhere and they turn out the same way. It's pretty much impossible to buy the idea that one's soul is meaningless when we meet people like Grenoldt, Mowen, and Taynor on the First.

[SannaR]

Eh except when we use the crystal during the Elidibus fight in 5.3 we hear emet Selch specifically state that Azem was his dearest friend and Hythlodaeus said that that crystal was back were it belongs when he first gave it to us.



Edit: Also, if memory serves me correctly the Scions or some of them have basically said that it didn't matter who we were in the past or if someone else was split from our soul, we are who we are currently. Nothing more nothing less. Same thing when Seto said our souls where Strikingly similar to Ardbert's.

Im sure they most likely know whats going on they just completely refuse to comment on it as it isn't "who we are in the here and now"

I had forgotten Hyth says a friend made one and then starts using gendered terms. I still don't think we've told them that at one point in time we were Azem. Even if they're mostly hey we'll have your back no matter what the fact that I still feel as though both Urianger and Y'shtola would have wanted to bring it up or use some memory exploring crystals. Since we currently still don't know why our past self said no to both groups.