Lets Talk Dark Knight

[Eagleheart]

My worldview IS black and white.

(o.0 ) "The ends justify the means" has led to many terrible, horrible deeds done in the name of equality, peace, national unity, and 'fairness'.

[Ramsey]

My worldview IS black and white.

(o.0 ) "The ends justify the means" has led to many terrible, horrible deeds done in the name of equality, peace, national unity, and 'fairness'.

I didn't know flat characters existed in real life... Cars have also lead to many, terrible, horrible deeds.

Humorous black & white worldview aside, there's no way Dark Knight cannot fall under the evil category for you then, unless it's well... not a dark knight.

[Eagleheart]

I didn't know flat characters existed in real life... Cars have also lead to many, terrible, horrible deeds.

Humorous black & white worldview aside, there's no way Dark Knight cannot fall under the evil category for you then, unless it's well... not a dark knight.

mmmm.

In the name of equality and fairness for all, Stalin murdered millions, as did Mao.

Fairness and equality are noble and admirable goals. Murdering men and women to accomplish them is not.

The intention was white, the deed was black. This happens routinely in every human life. You wish to spare a friend's feelings, so you tell them a lie, and later, the pain is worse, for having been told, and believing, the untruth.

I find the more interesting characters in novels and media are the principled ones, who aren't swept up in the wake of "for a greater good". It's so easy, almost natural, to fall into that line of thinking...

And it's taken millions of lives.

Food for thought.

So yeah, Dark Knight, not Hell Knight, thanks much. o.ob

[Ramsey]

I'd prefer not to enter a philosophical debate, because generally, people's minds are already made up before even entering these sorts of discussions. However, your examples are only of deranged dictators.

There are many situations in history where a small evil was done to avert a bigger one. Any principle or ideal may be used in a negative or positive way, just as any tool, technology, what have you. There are also shades of gray, at least in most people's worlds.


That said.


Dark Knight. Light and Dark, Black and White, it's the same principle.

If your world view is black and white, dark knight is inherently evil. They harm themselves in order to defeat their opponents. Would your world views support your country arming their military with weapons that harm their own soldiers, if that meant they could win battles more effectively?

Dark magic, self-harm to increase damage are tools, tools that would to a common person be associated with "evil." My point is the user is not inherently evil themselves. SE is not going to cast your character as a villain in the dark knight story.

[Jinrya-Geki]

My worldview IS black and white.

(o.0 ) "The ends justify the means" has led to many terrible, horrible deeds done in the name of equality, peace, national unity, and 'fairness'.

majin vegeta agrees

[Jinrya-Geki]

ok lets keep it civil please leave political veiws out of it.

[Ramsey]

ok lets keep it civil please leave political veiws out of it.

....who exactly are you afraid anyone in this thread has offended? Maoists?

(Because I don't think any political views other than extreme dictatorial communism were brought up. And those were in passing to illustrate a point.)

[Duelle]

Let the flaming and nerd rage begin...

Oh what I would give to see DRK's AF armor in XIV based on that....

Aesthetics aside, Two-handed swords, some drain spells as well as darkness/umbral damage strikes that become stronger when you combo into them. NO ELEMENTAL MAGIC OR ANYTHING RELATED TO ELEMENTAL MAGIC. I'd focus them more on drains and damage. Or perhaps tool DRKs to be somewhat anti-caster (cast interrupts, debuffs that increase cast times or increase chances of being interrupted) while keeping them up to par with DRG, MNK and whoever else is in the front.

The latter might work, as DRK's theme in XI was a job that was anti-arcana.

[Andrien]

Cecil Harvey cosplay, but a real good one.

[Eagleheart]

Cecil Harvey cosplay, but a real good one.

...That man is the most awesome individual on the planet.

There are no exceptions. None.

Frankly, that scene of Vegeta is what I'd like out of Dark Knight. D: But mostly because I'm a greatsword fan, and Cecil is amongst my favorite Final Fantasy characters.

Hopeless fanboy. x_x;;