Lets Talk Dark Knight

[Jinrya-Geki]

and i hope that they give Drk a good 15 min ability. please not blood weapon again.

[illriginalized]

So from what I understand... people actually like DRK? Wow.. finally something we can all agree with. I was waiting for someone to say, "but but but... we had DRK in FFXI!!!! That's soooo stupid... ughhh FFXI is the suxors."

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...699#post531699


GLA might be Dark Knight after all. Not is set in stone yet though.

Jinrya, you see this post ^


If DRK is pussified by hittin like a little flamer. I will quit this game until they fix DRK. No Fixy DRK, no FFXIV fo'me.

[Ramsey]

It won't be sword and shield unless they completely change their current class dynamic. Currently, classes don't branch into jobs, and even if they did, it would be almost pointless, because jobs only offer 5 additional abilities. Most of a job is based around the root class commands, the job abilities are just bonuses that make it stronger. The thing that most defines a job is actually just the stat differences and what classes they're locked into for sub abilities.

I.E. If they tried to make Dark Knight another job for Gladiator, they'd run into the fact that Gladiator is inherently a tank, and all of its abilities are balanced for that purpose. It has no inherently "Dark Knight"-esque abilities.

On that note, I would not go so far as to say that Scythe is "locked" out of use because it exists as an off-hand tool for botanists. (Notice that knives appear in 3 variations, cooking, leatherworking and gladiator's arms.) However, I for one never really cared for scythes as a weapon, and there's not much precedent for them in the series. I wouldn't mind great sword, but I would literally drop everything if we got a sword-staff a la Gabranth/Zidane.




But there's no precedent for that either, so it's extremely wishful thinking.

The real curiosity is what base class would be introduced for Dark Knight. Of course, the base class design seems to have been "let's make this up as we go along" up until now, I'm looking forward to seeing what the team does for the first base class to be produced post 2.0. Don't think we'll be seeing Dark Knight for a bit though, as they wanted to focus on mages for now, since we have a shortage?


Edit: Derp, forgot to comment on role. Dark Knight is a self-damaging DPS, anything else and well... you're doing it wrong. Relating to the current classes, I would say slightly more burst-y than Dragoon, with the ability to deal direct damage or darkness damage via abilities like Souleater, and what-have you. I would actually prefer Dark Knight have slightly more survivability than it did in FFXI, in the sense that if one forgoes self-damaging abilities and only uses health-draining skills when one is in harm's way, a hit to DPS can result in more durability.

[Jinrya-Geki]

well if thats the case then sure scythe could be added. and lol to batman i thought about putting that but though ppl get mad. But he proves a Point in a way . YOU CANT SEE HIS FACE EITHER! though i hope you cant see our mouth on our af that would look dumb and only Drg can pull that off. And i pray to Yoshi-P himself. PLEASE for the love of god (you) dont make it that you'd have to pick between Pld or Drk.

[Klive]

Only FF11 has Dark Knights using scythes and you know how that can go on these forums. I'm against scythes because they are not a weapons. Only due to the renderings of Death, Grim Reaper, using a scythe to harvest souls is the only really anyone thought on it as a 'dark' weapon. Granted this is a fantasy, a scythe designed harvesting gain and a very clumsy hard to use 'weapon'. I would prefer Dark Knights to have swords if anything or, maybe, a flail. Flail or morning star could be really awesome for dark knights...

[Ramsey]

Only FF11 has Dark Knights using scythes and you know how that can go on these forums. I'm against scythes because they are not a weapons. Only due to the renderings of Death, Grim Reaper, using a scythe to harvest souls is the only really anyone thought on it as a 'dark' weapon. Granted this is a fantasy, a scythe designed harvesting gain and a very clumsy hard to use 'weapon'. I would prefer Dark Knights to have swords if anything or, maybe, a flail. Flail or morning star could be really awesome for dark knights...

A morning star is kind of a clumsy weapon, but I suppose it's more practical than a scythe.

Though it's not entirely true that scythe and scythe-like weapons with curved blades (where the inside is the cutting portion) were never used in combat.





Most of these weapons were improvised farm tools, or meant for a particular use, but it's not totally unbelievable a scythe could develop in a culture as a weapon for combat. It's obviously a reference to imagery of a reaper though, and the associations with darkness and death that it shares with dark knight, as you stated.

[Lux_Rayna]

A morning star is kind of a clumsy weapon, but I suppose it's more practical than a scythe.

Though it's not entirely true that scythe and scythe-like weapons with curved blades (where the inside is the cutting portion) were never used in combat.

Most of these weapons were improvised farm tools, or meant for a particular use, but it's not totally unbelievable a scythe could develop in a culture as a weapon for combat. It's obviously a reference to imagery of a reaper though, and the associations with darkness and death that it shares with dark knight, as you stated.

I think his point is that a scythe was never made nor meant for combat, thus makes a poor weapon for any combat class. To this day I have never heard of scythes as we think of them (drk, grim reaper) used as anything but a farmer's tool. Yeah farmers used them for lack of any other options, but they are not designed for combat. Of course this is fiction so anything goes, but I would much prefer DRK use a classic weapon. A scythe just doesn't seem to fit in with the lore imo.

[SwordCoheir]

Only FF11 has Dark Knights using scythes and you know how that can go on these forums. I'm against scythes because they are not a weapons. Only due to the renderings of Death, Grim Reaper, using a scythe to harvest souls is the only really anyone thought on it as a 'dark' weapon. Granted this is a fantasy, a scythe designed harvesting gain and a very clumsy hard to use 'weapon'. I would prefer Dark Knights to have swords if anything or, maybe, a flail. Flail or morning star could be really awesome for dark knights...

Actually it's not uncommon for tools that were originally designed for farming to be re-designed for war. It happens pretty often actually, some examples would be the nunchucks, sai, whip, chain & sickle, and of course the scythe. I imagine they originally never thought these farm tools could be used for war, but found out their potential when farmers participated in rebellions or had to defend themselves and didn't have the means or access to actual weapons like a sword or Bow.

[Velhart]

Only FF11 has Dark Knights using scythes and you know how that can go on these forums. I'm against scythes because they are not a weapons. Only due to the renderings of Death, Grim Reaper, using a scythe to harvest souls is the only really anyone thought on it as a 'dark' weapon. Granted this is a fantasy, a scythe designed harvesting gain and a very clumsy hard to use 'weapon'. I would prefer Dark Knights to have swords if anything or, maybe, a flail. Flail or morning star could be really awesome for dark knights...

Well....if ninjas can use them....

[Ramis]

DARK KNIGHT YES PLEASE... but think then the 2.0 they could over-haul the whole thing.. makinging DRK look as bad ass as ever... and bring DRG back down a peg or too... Drk. is my job of Choice... mmmm Love me some Damage.