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    Player Goji1639's Avatar
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    Father Gascoigne
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    Mass pulling as a Warrior

    I've leveled both DRK/PLD and now I'm leveling a WAR, and the main thing I've noticed is that pulling is way more awkward, the main reason being that WAR doesn't seem to have any OCD attacks. So, if a group of enemies is kind of spread out you run up, AoE some, then you have to sit there waiting on the GCD before you can pick up the stragglers.

    Conversely with PLD I can AoE, then immediately follow up with Circle of Scorn to pick up stragglers as I'm sprinting ahead. With my DRK I can Flood of Shadow immediately.

    With WAR I can either A) Stand there getting beat up for 3 seconds waiting for my opportunity to grab the rest, or B) Sprint forward while not having aggro on the entire pull, hoping no one else in the group touches anything or heals me.

    Am I missing something, or is this just what WAR is?
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    Rei Makato
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    You can use equilibrium while running to maintain aggro, its a hefty heal and healing makes just as much aggro as damage.

    Alternatively just run onto the next pack, your party taking 1 or 2 auto's won't kill them and they should bring any stragglers to you anyway or you can pick up the stragglers and heal the damage taken while running when you reach the second pack with equilibrium provided the party hasnt hit them too much. Theres also just no harm in waiting for the second gcd.
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    I would offer advice, however as I wasn't asked directly by name, then it would be unsolicited advice and that's illegal.
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    Player Goji1639's Avatar
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    The heal idea is interesting, but kind of a waste of a CD. Do heals also get the increased aggro generation from tank stance?

    I mean, mass pulling obviously still works as a WAR, but it's just slower, less clean, more awkward than the other tanks I've played. I'm sure I'll get used to it, but the awkward pulling makes me indecisive. A few groups I've been in probably thought I was having a seizure as I changed my mind between sprinting forward anyways or trying to pick up the strays mid pull. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goji1639 View Post
    The heal idea is interesting, but kind of a waste of a CD. Do heals also get the increased aggro generation from tank stance?

    I mean, mass pulling obviously still works as a WAR, but it's just slower, less clean, more awkward than the other tanks I've played. I'm sure I'll get used to it, but the awkward pulling makes me indecisive. A few groups I've been in probably thought I was having a seizure as I changed my mind between sprinting forward anyways or trying to pick up the strays mid pull. lol
    Unless they changed it in shb yes healing is also affected by tank stance. Its not a waste of a cd if you use it to heal the damage from the pull itself, warrior also has self healing out the arse anyway with nascent flash and loads of cooldowns so if you desperately want a smooth pull wasting it won't be an issue. Alternatively just do 2 gcds every time before moving on or let you party take some light scrapes.
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    Shao Kuraisenshi
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    Overpower have higer range and is a cone in front of you so at contrary that other tanks that only have circular aoes WAR can be ahead the pull and overpower all the time when they are moving and reach everything without a problem, equilibrium helps too but don't be afraid to use more overpower without combo it until you have all togheter and then use your regular AoE rotation.
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    Noitems Ever
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    Goblin
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReiMakoto View Post
    Unless they changed it in shb yes healing is also affected by tank stance. Its not a waste of a cd if you use it to heal the damage from the pull itself, warrior also has self healing out the arse anyway with nascent flash and loads of cooldowns so if you desperately want a smooth pull wasting it won't be an issue. Alternatively just do 2 gcds every time before moving on or let you party take some light scrapes.
    It has not changed, it works very well on GNB since you set yourself up with Aurora to automatically draw in aggro for easier aoe combos.

    With Warrior Equilibrium is an okay option to pull it away if they get stuck behind you (and if you won't need it for the pull pending on your healer). Overpower-Mythril Tempest is a great way for the first pull to get 20 BG for Onslaught. Then Onslaught into the next mob, do Overpower-Mythril Tempest, then set up eye.

    WAR is annoying since you do have to set up eye mid pull or else you lose out on some extra damage for your first OP-MT combo. If you have a set of three going first you can try doing something like 1-2-(Provoke the third mob), then head off to the next set with Onslaught, set up Eye, then Overpower-Mythril Tempest. Then just go into your full Infuriate-Chaotic Cyclone stuff till you do IR. If you move fast enough (or even save Equi/ToB for the next pull to generate some aggro), your healer and dps won't be slammed with aggro before you get your eye up.
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    King Canadane
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    Equilibrium is fantastic for anything you didn't catch. Don't consider it a waste of a resource, consider it a use for the resource.
    You can already heal yourself to pull in a large group without it thanks to Nascent Flash.
    And of course, good old provoke if there's just one thing you couldn't keep on you while running.
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    Elan Centauri
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReiMakoto View Post
    Unless they changed it in shb yes healing is also affected by tank stance. Its not a waste of a cd if you use it to heal the damage from the pull itself, warrior also has self healing out the arse anyway with nascent flash and loads of cooldowns so if you desperately want a smooth pull wasting it won't be an issue. Alternatively just do 2 gcds every time before moving on or let you party take some light scrapes.
    As GNB I usually use Aurora (my HoT) as I'm pulling big. It helps to counter any Regen a healer might throw on me, and it keeps things focused on me 98% of the time, so long as the dps don't get too crazy. Most wait until the group comes to a stop though. So yeah, I'd wager any sort of heal a tank can put out will help.
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    Yeah all heal abilities tanks have generate aggro pretty easily
    or you can just use second part of your AOE combo raw to pick up enemies in a easier fashion
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