Rework the housing system

[tdb]

To be fair I don't think the devs expected players to click placards for hours on end. They probably expected you to go to the placard, find out it's not available yet, and come back later after doing some other stuff and maybe visiting other placards. It's clear they didn't understand just how badly some players want houses and also underestimated the impact of bots. They should have just implemented it as a straight up lottery which I feel the timer system is intended to be.

[Jojoya]

It's clear they didn't understand just how badly some players want houses and also underestimated the impact of bots. They should have just implemented it as a straight up lottery which I feel the timer system is intended to be.

I'm certain they do understand how badly many players want a house else we wouldn't have seen 2 ward additions already this expansion. But knowing there is a problem doesn't create solutions that can be implemented on demand.

I'm not certain how you're equating the timer system with a lottery. A lottery would also be a mess since there could be drawings week after week with no winner (we see that happen all the time with Jumbo Cactpot, which is a lottery). The player base would end up even unhappier about that than they are with the timer. At least with the timer they know someone will be getting that house when it expires and with luck they will be that person if they're present at the right time.

We know Ishgard housing is coming after the Restoration is completed on all worlds. Let's see what it does to address the current problems.

[tdb]

I'm certain they do understand how badly many players want a house else we wouldn't have seen 2 ward additions already this expansion. But knowing there is a problem doesn't create solutions that can be implemented on demand.

I find it hard to believe they'd design a system as unfun as the current timer on purpose if they knew how players would use it.

I'm not certain how you're equating the timer system with a lottery. A lottery would also be a mess since there could be drawings week after week with no winner (we see that happen all the time with Jumbo Cactpot, which is a lottery). The player base would end up even unhappier about that than they are with the timer. At least with the timer they know someone will be getting that house when it expires and with luck they will be that person if they're present at the right time.

Hmm, not sure what would be the correct term. Raffle? Sweepstakes? But I mean giving the plot randomly to one player among those who registered interest in it (which is effectively what happens with the timer, if everyone clicks at an equal frequency). In another thread I suggested a system where a timer for the raffle would be selected and announced when the plot frees up, and at that time players would have 5-10 minutes to register their interest before the winner is chosen. This would allow players to plan their schedules and do something productive (in game or out) while waiting. Of course it would likely cause more players to show up, and some are unhappy that they can't "earn" a house through sheer perseverance in a mind-numbingly boring task.

[Syraxis]

Hmm, not sure what would be the correct term. Raffle? Sweepstakes? But I mean giving the plot randomly to one player among those who registered interest in it (which is effectively what happens with the timer, if everyone clicks at an equal frequency). In another thread I suggested a system where a timer for the raffle would be selected and announced when the plot frees up, and at that time players would have 5-10 minutes to register their interest before the winner is chosen. This would allow players to plan their schedules and do something productive (in game or out) while waiting. Of course it would likely cause more players to show up, and some are unhappy that they can't "earn" a house through sheer perseverance in a mind-numbingly boring task.

I'll say that a raffle still sounds like it'll have the same issues. The problem with the current system isn't just there not being enough plots but the rng on when plots can be bought. Players are already upset with this borderline random decision of who can and can't own a house, and another kind of rng probably won't sit well with people. Personally, if the devs are going to keep insisting on non-instanced housing, I'd like to see far more plots, an actual measure to ensure that a person isn't using FC's to own entire wards, and probably even a monthly gil tax for owning plots. I know that last part probably isn't preferable but it'll help diminish the amount of people that have taken multiple/many plots already, but a lot of the issue is not knowing what the devs are capable of/willing to do.

[tdb]

I'll say that a raffle still sounds like it'll have the same issues. The problem with the current system isn't just there not being enough plots but the rng on when plots can be bought. Players are already upset with this borderline random decision of who can and can't own a house, and another kind of rng probably won't sit well with people. Personally, if the devs are going to keep insisting on non-instanced housing, I'd like to see far more plots, an actual measure to ensure that a person isn't using FC's to own entire wards, and probably even a monthly gil tax for owning plots. I know that last part probably isn't preferable but it'll help diminish the amount of people that have taken multiple/many plots already, but a lot of the issue is not knowing what the devs are capable of/willing to do.

Yes, a raffle system does not address the insufficient amount of housing. But until a sufficient quantity can be provided, or if for some reason it can't, I think a raffle would be more fair and enjoyable than the current timer system where you have to camp the placard for hours. You might not have any better chance at getting the plot, but at least you'd only have to spend a few minutes on it.

[ramsesh]

We know Ishgard housing is coming after the Restoration is completed on all worlds. Let's see what it does to address the current problems.

This is incorrect. We do not know it’s coming because there’s been no official release or statement.

I don’t care if the game hints at it—they are awful and bait, so until it’s been confirmed officially, this is still a rumor.

[LaylaTsarra]

I don’t care if the game hints at it—they are awful and bait, so until it’s been confirmed officially, this is still a rumor.

Pretty big hint. There is no way the development team would tease rebuilding a housing ward/district by everyone doing Firmament reconstruction and not come out with more housing. Sure it's not official until formally announced but it's coming. I think the only thing we don't really know yet is if it will be something new (instanced housing) or more of the same and when. My guess is 5.5 or 5.55 but we'll have to wait and see.

[ramsesh]

Pretty big hint. There is no way the development team would tease rebuilding a housing ward/district by everyone doing Firmament reconstruction and not come out with more housing. Sure it's not official until formally announced but it's coming. I think the only thing we don't really know yet is if it will be something new (instanced housing) or more of the same and when. My guess is 5.5 or 5.55 but we'll have to wait and see.

No. We don’t know if it’s coming or not. This community is absolutely ridiculous with how it overhypes things, and then is inevitably depressed and riotous when they don’t get what they envisioned.

Until it’s announced it might as well be absolutely nothing.

Don’t mistake this for a lack of desire; I do want the housing district, probably as much as anyone else. But at this point SE has disappointed me enough to know not to get my hopes up, and I’m just trying to remind people to do the same so they aren’t disappointed if it isn’t what they want.

For the record my guess is 6.1 as I sincerely doubt they’ll do a housing district at the tail end of an expansion, they would smartly use it the same way they did Shirogane in 4.0 going into 4.1.

As said above, they are likely waiting until any necessary infrastructure is in place. That’s reasonable.

[LaylaTsarra]

No. We don’t know if it’s coming or not. This community is absolutely ridiculous with how it overhypes things, and then is inevitably depressed and riotous when they don’t get what they envisioned.

No it's not ridiculous. It's pretty naive to think that there will be no housing district but lets agree it's not official until they announce it but sorry I'm going to go with it's a pretty sure thing we're getting it and the only question is when.

[ramsesh]

No it's not ridiculous. It's pretty naive to think that there will be no housing district but lets agree it's not official until they announce it but sorry I'm going to go with it's a pretty sure thing we're getting it and the only question is when.

You’re welcome to be wrong. That’s fine.

And yes it is ridiculous. We’ll have to agree to disagree.