Thread: Just saw the end of 1.0

There's some vids with all cutscenes in the original MSQ, that's 2 hours more that I hope will explain what I just saw...

Was the really big spell, "the trick at Cardinau"? Did they summon 12? The 12? Or is that what was talked about in coils and when susako showed up, the ultimate stasis spell, only this time it failed?


How do the pieces that retcon backwards (coils, and flashbacks) fit around this?

The final moment is the heros, (and as many others as possible) being teleported to "safe" somewhere, to keep hope alive?

Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

There's some vids with all cutscenes in the original MSQ, that's 2 hours more that I hope will explain what I just saw...

Was the really big spell, "the trick at Cardinau"? Did they summon 12? The 12? Or is that what was talked about in coils and when susako showed up, the ultimate stasis spell, only this time it failed?


How do the pieces that retcon backwards (coils, and flashbacks) fit around this?

The final moment is the heros, (and as many others as possible) being teleported to "safe" somewhere, to keep hope alive?

Yes, the 'trick at Carteneau' that Gaius references in Praetorium was a 'partial summoning' of the Twelve by Louisoix using the faith of the Eorzeans as the basis.

Because it was a 'partial summoning', it did not make the summoned entities sentient, so they could not enthrall people including the summoner. Louisoix had originally intended to use the 'partially-summoned' Twelve's power to push back Dalamud into space, but Bahamut broke free before that could happen, so Lousioix instead tried to use the power to seal the Dreadwyrm away (using the same spell Paplymo would later use on the forming Shinryu).

However Bahamut was stronger than Louisoix thought and broke free before the spell's completion. Out of options, Louisoix used a spell to teleport to 1.x Warriors of Light 'somewhere safe'. The vagueness of 'somewhere safe' caused them to be sent into a rift where they remained in suspended animation, until around 5 years later which was determined to be 'somewhere safe'. As for Louisoix, he was resigned to die, but the prayers of hope, salvation and rebirth from Eorzeans were carried along the aether and entrusted unto him, allowing him to use the aether used to try and summon the Twelve to isntead transform into a new primal, Phoenix - symbol of rebirth. Phoenix was able to defeat and shatter Bahamut, and Louisoix wanted to let go of the power and simply fade away. But Bahamut's mind was strong, and held on to life by sheer force of will, using Louisoix's moment of reprieve to enthrall him, and absorb the energy he relinquished as Phoenix. Bahamut's remains were embedded underground by the force of his body's destruction, but they remained intact, and the shards of Dalamud were active underground, searching for their escaped prisoner until they found the Dreadwyrm's crystal heart.

the 12 then latter show up in the bodies of 12 knights for the thoradin plotline, powered by the eyes, and a particularly magical sword, and the magic in the ishgardian church?
But like shiva, because it's in people, it's not quite as ... insane and world shattering?

Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

the 12 then latter show up in the bodies of 12 knights for the thoradin plotline, powered by the eyes, and a particularly magical sword, and the magic in the ishgardian church?
But like shiva, because it's in people, it's not quite as ... insane and world shattering?

The twelve knights of the Heavens' Ward do not transform into 'the Twelve' deities of Eorzea.

They transform into the mythical knights that make up the founding myth of Ishgard lead by King Thordan. Bahamut was the strongest known primal, because while he was trapped in dalamud, the sattelite-prison was absorbing energy from the Sun and storing it within him, just making him stronger. As for why was the sattelite making him stronger, the energy was originally supposed to be siphoned away from him to supply limitless energy to the Crystal Tower in the time when he was imprisoned. But that civillization destroyed themselves, and basically nothing was taking away the excess energy the primal was getting.

Ah, that twelve, isn't THAT twelve.

Got it.

Course, turns out they are BOTH the 13 (with one kicked out) from the other group.

Tales from the Shadows has revealed that both the Phoenix and Ifrit(ia) were at one point just beings created with Creation Magic just like... a whole bunch of other beings were. Which opens the door for a lot of beings coming from stories about things created with Creation Magic and then 12k years of the stories of those created beings be garbled into the myths we know today. We do know that people didn't remember the days of Amarot after the Sundering clearly, so it's very likely a lot got changed.

What FFXIV has been careful to do is not invalidate people's belief systems just because they are believing in something that might not actually be a god (and ironically, Hydaelyn, the closest thing to a god we've seen, isn't worshiped as one anywhere). What seems to be more important is what the religion is used as a reason to do things, and so long as it isn't anything really bad, the story is neutral at worst about it. Even Ishgard doesn't actually stop worshiping Halone after they find out the Church was lying to them; they just... stop harping on the whole "dragons are Halone's mortal enemy" nonsense.

Originally Posted by Kesey

The Tales of the Shadows that were released during The Rising event firmly place the Phoenix as a creation of Lahabrea, who coincidentally was watching over the exchange of Louisoix vs. Bahamut.

It's mentioned that there is a legendary Phoenix whose appearance and powers have been copied by at least two entities - Louisoix and his Primal transformation, and Suzaku, who was originally just a regular bird auspice but who assumed the Phoenix's appearance and abilities as she grew in power (apparently out of a desire to resurrect Tenzen).

That legendary Phoenix was probably Lahabrea's creation. Maybe. If the Tale from the Shadows is accurate, it didn't live long before it was mercy-killed, and very few people actually knew about it. Not exactly the stuff of legends, there. Though I suppose Lahabrea might have made a properly soul-less one later which could have laid the foundations for those legends.

Originally Posted by ObsidianFire

What FFXIV has been careful to do is not invalidate people's belief systems just because they are believing in something that might not actually be a god (and ironically, Hydaelyn, the closest thing to a god we've seen, isn't worshiped as one anywhere). What seems to be more important is what the religion is used as a reason to do things, and so long as it isn't anything really bad, the story is neutral at worst about it. Even Ishgard doesn't actually stop worshiping Halone after they find out the Church was lying to them; they just... stop harping on the whole "dragons are Halone's mortal enemy" nonsense.

i actually want to reiterate this point because it was something i was worried they'd mishandle as soon as i got partway through 5.4

once we got the cure for tempering i was worried the game would also start saying that the gods of the beast tribes were false while the Twelve were not dismissed in a similar manner. i was pleasantly surprised this was not the case

I think it might be time to bump this....

We have "the 12" summoned at cartenou, we have the OTHER 12 summoned as the KotR, we have the convocation of 13, who kicks out ONE to become 12.... but now we have the 12 as pre-existing gods?

I still feel like this is suspicious.