Thread: Just saw the end of 1.0

Originally Posted by Gemina

Definitely no connection to the twelve as deities. The closest would be that they all take Halone as their patron Deity. I never saw the Heavenguard as anything but a homage to the Knighs of Round from FFVII, which I believe are inspired by the Twelve Peers.

Knights of the Round were the Knights of the Round Table, aka the knights of King Arthur Pendragon, not the 12 Peers of Charlemagne

Originally Posted by Lyth

We know that the Ala Mhigans revere Rhalgr, having followed his comet in the night sky that lead them away from the Flood waters into the eastern reaches of the Abalathia's Spine, where they set up their kingdom (EE v.1 p.175). Rhalgr himself references this in the Alliance raid fight with a falling meteor attack called 'Rhalgr's Beacon'. Now it turns out that one of the Twelve Archons was a Roegadyn named Ahldbhar, who was described in a 1.0 quest (Of Archons and Muses) to be the very likeness of Rhalgr. If this is still canonically true, then it's possible that he was the one who lead some of the people rescued on Nyunkrepf's Hope east to found the nation of Ala Mhigo, which is what all the statues are based off of.

Don't know if replying to this counts as a necro since it's an older post but this thread just popped back to the top and I've never checked it out before, but...

I was under the impression that the dialogue in that quest had it the other way around, that he was so much like Rhalgr that some statues of Rhalgr were made in his likeness using him as inspiration/a model. The most famous and largest statue of Rhalgr made at the exact spot Rhalgr supposedly led the people to their new home looks nothing at all like a Roegadyn though and it was made after the line in 1.0 so those Roegadyn versions aren't universal. The Twelve have been worshiped since at least the Allagan times, which means that Rhalgr and the rest are thousands of years older than the Magi War and Ala Mhigo anyway. City-states in Eorzea also had their own patron god before the Magi War as well, since we know that Nym venerated Oschon.

Another fun fact is that the Archon Aldbhar you mentioned ended up actually joining the Ascians after having spent awhile fighting them. But he never popped up in the game at all after 1.0 and it's a shame.

Originally Posted by Canadane

Hot tip nobody actually cares about necroing and it's better than starting anew leaving old questions unanswered

More specifically, no one cares about necro-ing when it's on-topic in a slow subforum. Lore is probably one of the slowest subforums. The reason people dislike the necro-ing that happens in GenDisc is because it's one or more of:
a) off topic
b) resurrecting obsolete information which will then affect people searching for a current answer
or c) intentionally being done to bury active topics.

Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

I was under the impression that the dialogue in that quest had it the other way around, that he was so much like Rhalgr that some statues of Rhalgr were made in his likeness using him as inspiration/a model. The most famous and largest statue of Rhalgr made at the exact spot Rhalgr supposedly led the people to their new home looks nothing at all like a Roegadyn though and it was made after the line in 1.0 so those Roegadyn versions aren't universal. The Twelve have been worshiped since at least the Allagan times, which means that Rhalgr and the rest are thousands of years older than the Magi War and Ala Mhigo anyway. City-states in Eorzea also had their own patron god before the Magi War as well, since we know that Nym venerated Oschon.

Another fun fact is that the Archon Aldbhar you mentioned ended up actually joining the Ascians after having spent awhile fighting them. But he never popped up in the game at all after 1.0 and it's a shame.

I've never played 1.0 and I've been only able to go off of what quotes I've found about him and that quest online. If you have more information about him or any other of Nyunkrepf's team, I'd be interested to hear about it.

Originally Posted by SnowVix

More specifically, no one cares about necro-ing when it's on-topic in a slow subforum. Lore is probably one of the slowest subforums. The reason people dislike the necro-ing that happens in GenDisc is because it's one or more of:
a) off topic
b) resurrecting obsolete information which will then affect people searching for a current answer
or c) intentionally being done to bury active topics.

This. Plus the Lore subforum here MOSTLY gets really good discussions, and they can get buried over time. Besides, those questions can still be asked by people nowadays, so every time they get necro'd, somebody learns something new.

Originally Posted by Lyth

I've never played 1.0 and I've been only able to go off of what quotes I've found about him and that quest online. If you have more information about him or any other of Nyunkrepf's team, I'd be interested to hear about it.

The gist is that they were probably WoLs because they appeared right at the time of a Calamity and were super powerful and fought the "darkness". Their descriptions match what we're eventually told WoLs are supposed to be.

Some folk make them for the very incarnations of the Twelve, come to Eorzea. Old prophecies and wives’ tales say they descend from their heavenly seat whenever disaster threatens Eorzea, see. Needless to say, many believe the Archons to have otherworldly powers - both of mind and body. According to the loremasters’ books, there was an age of shadow and calamity some fifteen hundred-odd years ago, when a great flood drowned the world - the sixth Umbral Era, they called it. Believers say it was the twelve Archons what came to fight the darkness then.

Legends have long told of the advent of a band of saviors known as the Twelve Archons, who helped to warn the people of impending doom and provide salvation to countless scores in their time of need. Without champions such as these, the path to the Sixth Astral Era may have been longer and more fraught with peril than it actually was.

At the urgent behest of a party of twelve shadowy figures history only remembers as the Archons, the nations agree to consolidate their remaining resources and form the Grand Companies of Eorzea in an attempt to forestall the coming apocalypse.

It is foretold that on the cusp of an Umbral Calamity, individuals blessed with the power of the Echo will appear. During the Sixth Umbral Era, when the waters rose to swallow the land, the twelve Archons who stood against the darkness each bore this blessing. The histories paint a fanciful picture of these gifted souls. Through countless retellings, the Archons’ deeds are become myth, their powers more akin to gods than men. However, there are two things of which I am now certain. First, their gift, the Echo, granted them the power to walk within the memories of others. Second you have been blessed with the selfsame power.

And after fighting the who I would assume to be the Ascians, Ahldbhar gave up and joined them and was never mentioned in-game again. Maybe he's the unicorn a certain faction of the forums are looking for, a WoL who ends up finding the truth of the world and turns against Hydaelyn to take up with the Ascians. Shame he never gets mentioned after.

Ahldbhar fought relentlessly against a clan of wicked sorcerers that sought only to wreak havoc on the world through their dark powers. But then, something happened… Something that threw Ahldbhar into deep despair. And in the end, he turned and took up with the enemy, though none can say as to why.

The statue of Rhalgr at the Fist of Rhalgr was made by the first Ala Mhigans carved out of the mountain Rhalgr's star led them to. It's also carved in the likeness of a Hyur, which happens to be the main population of Ala Mhigo but with new information we have from the 24-man follow-up quest, likely made in the image of the actual Rhalgr since they can appear to mortals around the time of Calamities. Ramuh also looks close to the actual Rhalgr and even includes his elf ears.

As for Ahldbhar himself, I believe from the quest text that it's more likely he was just used as a model or walking inspiration after being compared to Rhalgr, and his being "Rhalgr himself" is merely metaphorical.

They say Ahldbhar was the mightiest of the twelve Archons. Rhalgr the Destroyer himself, taken form in Roegadyn flesh─a bloody mountain of a man, and a fearsome warrior, besides. You must’ve seen renderings of Rhalgr at some point─in paint or stone. Looks like a bag of angry muscles in a mage’s robes, right? Aye, well, those are done in the likeness of Archon Ahldbhar.

They say Ahldbhar was the mightiest of the twelve Archons. Rhalgr the Destroyer himself, taken form in Roegadyn flesh─a bloody mountain of a man, and a fearsome warrior, besides. You must’ve seen renderings of Rhalgr at some point─in paint or stone. Looks like a bag of angry muscles in a mage’s robes, right? Aye, well, those are done in the likeness of Archon Ahldbha

with a quote like that all i can think of is "i cast fist".