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    chrisfantasy's Avatar
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    Kanetor Oberyth
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    Sargatanas
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    Samurai Lv 80

    Allow ROGUE/NINJA's Hide ability to actually... hide.

    Title says all. Please allow NINs to really hide. It's silly to be blurred and still be able to be seen by other players. In other mmos this is completely doable. Just make them look blurred when you're in a party so your team members can see you. If you're not in a party, then players shouldn't be able to see you in certain distance in the same way monsters don't see you. Please implement this SE. It defeats the purpose of a Stealth class to not be actually stealthed.
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    Vickii's Avatar
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    Elise Marie
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    Scholar Lv 90
    I tried this when I was a ninja and was very disappointed everyone could see me.

    I like how they did it in wow where you only knew they were there when they came right up to you, and it had this cool sound effect when they appeared in view.
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    Iiiiiiiiiiit's Meeeee
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    I would also like it if the functionality of hiding were expanded.
    It doesn't seem to hide you from mobs I deep dungeons for example.
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    Aurelie Moonsong
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItMe View Post
    I would also like it if the functionality of hiding were expanded.
    It doesn't seem to hide you from mobs I deep dungeons for example.
    That would be because they don't want you to just walk straight past all the enemies and complete the dungeon.
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    Chisato Nishikigi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    That would be because they don't want you to just walk straight past all the enemies and complete the dungeon.
    You need to kill a boss every 10 floors in the deep dungeon. And without killing all the trash in your way, you won't level up and your *ss will be destroyed in seconds anyway
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    On top of that you have to kill many mobs to unlock the exit. You cannot simply sneak through to the end of the dungeon.

    And I'm not saying hide should work against all enemies. But at least let it work on ones that detect you visually come on
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    Last edited by ItMe; 12-24-2020 at 09:49 AM.

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    Edax Royeaux
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    Samurai Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by chrisfantasy View Post
    Title says all. Please allow NINs to really hide. It's silly to be blurred and still be able to be seen by other players. In other mmos this is completely doable. Just make them look blurred when you're in a party so your team members can see you. If you're not in a party, then players shouldn't be able to see you in certain distance in the same way monsters don't see you. Please implement this SE. It defeats the purpose of a Stealth class to not be actually stealthed.
    It's not like real life Ninja or Final Fantasy Ninja were capable of invisibility. In fact, I think it was only the Sniper in FFTA that could conceal themselves, Ninja was merely a dual-wielding sword caster hybrid that operated in the open.
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  8. #8
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    Kanetor Oberyth
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    Then what's the purpose of hide then? I have to disagree with your notion that a ninja is just another dual wielder. A ninja is a stealth assassin, the whole point is to go undetected like a cat prowls on its prey. When you use hide you're super slow, ok that's fine, but there's no benefit to it. If we're going by "IRL" standards then someone who hits an unsuspected target, then the target receives more damage than if the target was aware and prepared to receive the blow. In other words, games usually implement like "first hit from stealth is always a critical hit, or increased damage by 20% on the first hit" and stuff of the sorts. That's the flavor about the class/job. What I'm proposing is to make hide something truly flavorful, useful and impactful not just another melee class with different skins in their skills. The job itself is fun. I like the mudras and skills overall so I'm not saying that it's all bad just for the sake of argument. All I'm saying is that by giving the job a better identity (I don't even main NIN), that would bring more enjoyment to those who play it and make me more inclined to play it. It's my personal opinion and suggestion. People can disagree, but I'm sure a good portion of the NIN community would agree with me as I've seen. This is what forums are for right? Making suggestions on how to improve something.
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    Last edited by chrisfantasy; 12-24-2020 at 12:30 PM.

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    Kanetor Oberyth
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    Precisely! There is almost no reason to use hide otherwise than looking like the kid who is trying to hide behind the curtain while everybody can see your feet lol. Hitting criticals/harder from hide by sneaking up to monsters is what would be fun for me and give the job the flavor it needs. NINs are already underpowered compared to other dps so why not giving them a little buff that's both good numerically and mechanically?
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    Eristede Kell
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    Sargatanas
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    Ninja Lv 100
    Trust me—you can't see me when I hide.
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