MSQ Needs Further Condensing

[Tuska]

Cash shop noise

We aren't talking about cash shop items are we? We're talking about pruning/making the story non mandatory. If you would like to discuss that feel free to let me know.

If you don't do quests you aren't playing the game

Spamming through quests is not "playing through the game" a person still has to go from lvl 1 to max level, that is playing through the game. Regardless of if it's spamming through quests, mob grinding or dungeon grinding getting to max level is playing through the game.

BDO has very little story, people still go from lvl 1 to past soft level cap which takes longer than anything in this game, with only doing a few quests max. Did they not play through the game? Is that game not a mmo? How do you guys think people are playing other mmos with optional story? That are all doing better than XIV player base wise?

Making it optional does not hurt anyone, at all or else every other mmo on the market would be dead and gone. The amount of MSQ had to be a problem, hence them removing some of it, one thing businesses will not do is extra work if it doesn't benefit them at all. The retention rate had to be horrible and the feedback had to reflect too many MSQ to get caught up.


Also most people know they will have to catch up is one thing to gate them with story (long ques if dps which is out of their control) and another to gate with actual progression which is what most people play mmos for...progression.

[Ammokkx]

Irrelevant nonsense

Why yes, I agree.

EDIT: since the above post got edited, for anyone in future:

The reason I put that there is because Tuska had originally quoted LaylaTsarra's post like I just quoted the above post. Now that that bit of context is lost, feels like I should put this disclaimer here so I'm not just being a dick for no reason.

[LaylaTsarra]

We aren't talking about cash shop items are we? We're talking about pruning/making the story non mandatory. If you would like to discuss that feel free to let me know.

Read my post more carefully.

[Tuska]

Read my post more carefully.

Nah, people are discussing pruning and/or making the MSQ non mandatory and the first thing is cAsH sHoP. It's not ridiculous for people to want a mmo, that's marketed as a mmo to operate like a mmo without paying $25 (Idr the actual price) extra on top of a sub game. If the first thing you can say after reading the stuff people have posted is "cash shop" you didn't have anything of value to add to the conversation and we can leave it at that.

[LaylaTsarra]

Free Skip Noise.

Oh i did. I certainly did address the issue of pruning the msq's. Your pushing your free skips isn't flying in spite of your snarky remarks. They will never make the story non mandatory in this game.

[Masked-dingus]

Nah, people are discussing pruning and/or making the MSQ non mandatory and the first thing is cAsH sHoP. It's not ridiculous for people to want a mmo, that's marketed as a mmo to operate like a mmo without paying $25 (Idr the actual price) extra on top of a sub game. If the first thing you can say after reading the stuff people have posted is "cash shop" you didn't have anything of value to add to the conversation and we can leave it at that.

Except you will never have free skips in ffXIV, SE has noticed that a lot of people will pay for the actual cashshop skips, and they want money, so as long as you will have people paying for skips, you will never have an optional MSQ

[FoxyAreku]

The fact is this game is an MMORPG, with a large focus on end-game content, that being trials, raids, gearing, ect.

I could not disagree more with this. There's barely anything to do at endgame even as a savage raider, and gear is pretty much entirely a pointless endeavor past just being at the minimum for duty finder, if someone is trying to rush to endgame and 'catch up' they're doing it wrong. The story is 80% of the game and the main focus, if square cared about the endgame we'd have more than a whopping 4 fights every 6 months.

They could stand to condense the post-story of ARR a bit more but that's the only thing I can see happening.

How do you guys think people are playing other mmos with optional story? That are all doing better than XIV player base wise?

The only MMO that has a bigger playerbase than FFXIV (and isn't free to play) is WoW, and even they have their story being mandatory now.

[SturmChurro]

I could not disagree more with this. There's barely anything to do at endgame even as a savage raider, and gear is pretty much entirely a pointless endeavor past just being at the minimum for duty finder, if someone is trying to rush to endgame and 'catch up' they're doing it wrong. The story is 80% of the game and the main focus, if square cared about the endgame we'd have more than a whopping 4 fights every 6 months.

I will ask again, how much of your game time was spent doing just the story? Was it 80%? I somehow doubt it.

[Puremallace]

The MMO has a queue to login in every single day and far worse on patch days. So either FF14 has some of the worst servers in history or these completely packed zones I keep seeing tells me that they are doing something right.

Here want me to save you time? Hit ESC and skip if you think it is boring. Got some nostalgia go on Youtube or use New Games + but no NO MORE gutting the story because you cannot be bothered to read a quest.

This MMO has one of these single best story arcs in the history of the genre and you want them to gut it even more.

The only MMO that has a bigger playerbase than FFXIV (and isn't free to play) is WoW, and even they have their story being mandatory now.

LITERALLY this. Even Blizzard realized you sometimes have to draw the line in the sand and stand for something. If you do not like story then go play Fornite or something because you only do it once and then never have to do it again unless you queue Prae or Castrum......

[van_arn]

Honestly, they should extend the gutting to the expansion storylines next. ARR had some nasty filler, but Heavensward and Stormblood could do with some streamlining.