MSQ Needs Further Condensing

[SturmChurro]

But the OP of this post, who has all but vanished from the thread by this point, most certainly doesn't have the same amount of perspective.

They parroted "115$" even when people refuted it.

They parroted "SE has already condensed the story, your opinion is irrelevant" when people pointed out how everyone and their mother, so including story enthusiasts, complained about post-ARR for years. Not only that, but there was even another argument posed how CT added even more playtime, so it was almost mandatory they'd go back at this point, and this too was ignored.

We had a guy come in and point to specific sections in the story, said they needed to be cut because they were filler, and then admit he didn't care for the story in a vast majority of parts, barely paid attention and even outright skipped cutscenes come Shadowbringers. He posited his argument as knowing what the plot was about while having, infact, a very poor grip on it.

We have had a lot of people say "my friends have quit before getting anywhere because the story's too long" but then we ignore the fact I was a person who spent 65 days of playtime before even starting Shadowbringers and currently am going through the game again with a friend, who's loving every minute of it. We can't take their friends as emblematic of the experience when my friend (Ysera Atoel on Exodus if you're curious) is having a good time with it.

It's these kinds of arguments- not necessarily the one you posit- that people have such an aggressive reaction to.

I never saw anyone actually refute that. This is literally just what I was talking about.. Are you really sure these people were arguing in bad faith?

I don't know about $115 exactly, but if a player can't get past the story at the very least what they spent on the game is down the drain. If someone wants to play with their friends, have a full kit available, or just simply have most content unlocked. They will have to buy the game for one, a story skip, and a level boost. At full price, this is what that looks like: ("just buy a skip")

If that comes with a sub that is $110, nearly that $115. That is a lot of money..

I'm just not convinced anyone actually refuted that. If a player can't get through the story, really the only other option is to give SE large amounts of money. OR we go back to "game is just not for them". Also, please don't tell me they can skip the level boost. The leveling grind might as well be as bad as the story grind, and this time they would have no story to boost them. It would be dumb for anyone to buy a story skip, but not level boost, in my opinion. There's a reason I still haven't gotten all my combat classes to 80.. it takes a long time..

I don't see what is wrong with that argument either. They are skipping filler, or what they consider filler. Are you just assuming they have a poor grasp on the story? I need examples, otherwise I'm just taking your word. I've been through all the story, and I can tell you right now, there is a lot of filler.

I spent 5 hours this morning making glams, what does your playtime before ShB have to do with anything? My (imaginary) friend also quit the game because of the grind.

I don't see what is wrong with these arguments, frankly.