There should be no penalty for leaving a bad party after 15 minutes.

[Liam_Harper]

You know I usually weather these kinds of situations, but when 7 people are blaming me for the whole thing going bad when they're wasting LB3s to do damage on a boss with over 50% health left when 5 people are dead and I'm having to spend all my time rezzing or being rezzed because E9N mechs punish you for standing still and yet still it's somehow my fault

We went over this when you started your thread complaining about Unreal parties being incompetent. There is probably a reason the entire party mysteriously blamed you and one glance at a website we shall not name confirms it. It very likely is you. I don't mean that in an abusive or judgmental way, more to help, otherwise you'll keep running into the same problem.

[tdb]

Hmm, I'd have assumed the target of a vote kick would get some kind of penalty for being bad enough to be kicked. Though that could certainly be abused as well. I guess it's fair that the penalty can only result from the player's own actions.

The suggestion does include a 15-minute grace period (in the title, and doesn't vote abandon require 15 minutes as well), which prevents the most common case of someone bailing from a roulette right away when it's something they don't like. At the 15-minute mark a dungeon run is at the last boss if not done already. But I've seen people join CF or PB and leave after getting their loot at the first or second boss. For that reason I'd want to include a condition for things going badly, such as at least one wipe.

[Packetdancer]

For that reason I'd want to include a condition for things going badly, such as at least one wipe.

I think that'd make it more workable, yeah. One wipe, or you've already been in there half an hour or something (to account for people trolling and just refusing to do stuff at all).

[van_arn]

Too many are scared off by the 30 minute penalty. Never make yourself miserable by sticking around.

You had the right idea calling for a vote abandon, especially when people were rude, but you should've ditched when the party didn't want to abandon.

You can find something else to do for those 30 minutes. If you can't, that's a larger problem than anything in-duty.

[Frizze]

You know I usually weather these kinds of situations, but when 7 people are blaming me for the whole thing going bad when they're wasting LB3s to do damage on a boss with over 50% health left when 5 people are dead and I'm having to spend all my time rezzing or being rezzed because E9N mechs punish you for standing still and yet still it's somehow my fault, then I think I might be justified in not wanting to put up with that crap after inevitable wipe occurs.

There, that's my full side of the story. Y'all can go back to gainsaying me for the sake gainsaying as you always do.

No need to "gainsay" you. That sounds like a group i wouldnt have wanted to be in either. When content is this new and you have an unfamiliar group holding a LB incase the healers need it to put the group back together after some screw up is highly advisable. And getting mad after a single wipe is silly. Mistakes happen. But no, changing the rules on abandoning a duty is a bad idea. If they dont want to kick or abandon and you dont want to be there, you take a 30 mins crafting/gathering/smoking/whatever break. It helps you calm down, and it gets you away from a bad situation.

We went over this when you started your thread complaining about Unreal parties being incompetent. There is probably a reason the entire party mysteriously blamed you and one glance at a website we shall not name confirms it. It very likely is you. I don't mean that in an abusive or judgmental way, more to help, otherwise you'll keep running into the same problem.

Im like 25% willing to give Jamie the benefit of the doubt here just because the fight is still very new. For sure, certain past issues will likely continue to be a problem if they havent been or arent soon addressed, but if the group is truly wasting a limit that brazenly this early into a cycle then its hard to lay blame. You know, if that isnt an exaggerated version of events to claim victimhood. Though, now that ive typed that out... im trying to picture how you get to an LB3 in less then the first half of the fight. And with 3 people standing and the boss not close to dead, how anyone other then a healer would press the button unless no healer was standing. Ok, lets say im more like 12.5% willing to give benefit of the doubt. But not 0 yet. Not for another week anyway.

[Darkobra]

And how would you prevent that from being abused in the reverse situation where the one jerk in the party is upset that he won't get a free carry and wants to try again with another party?

Exactly. That person won't be able to just leave and try another party without incident or he'll get a half hour lock out.

BUT! If he trolls the hell out of you, pulls early, does nothing and eventually gets KICKED, he's free to go AND he's made your party all the worse to save himself the half hour! TDB is COMPLETELY right! Don't let them leave without making your life miserable first.

This is why I only do single players now.

[tdb]

BUT! If he trolls the hell out of you, pulls early, does nothing and eventually gets KICKED, he's free to go AND he's made your party all the worse to save himself the half hour! TDB is COMPLETELY right! Don't let them leave without making your life miserable first.

This was already discussed above. I had the wrong assumption of how vote kick and the penalty relate to each other.

[DPZ2]

There is probably a reason the entire party mysteriously blamed you and one glance at a website we shall not name confirms it. It very likely is you. I don't mean that in an abusive or judgmental way, more to help, otherwise you'll keep running into the same problem.

This statement is the indirect reason players will never get an official DPS parser in-game.

[MsQi]

Democracy.

Bad is subjective.

True! but more important: How can an automated system even render an opinion?

[tdb]

This statement is the indirect reason players will never get an official DPS parser in-game.

Yes, because it's unthinkable that the bad players get actual evidence that they're bad. If you're playing multiplayer content, you should have the decency of being interested enough to reach at least basic competence, and a good combat parser can help with that. There are downsides as well (elitism and discrimination) but I'm not sure they outweigh the upsides.