There should be no penalty for leaving a bad party after 15 minutes.

[JamieRose]

My E9N party was not only incompetent but extremely rude and unhelpful as well. I set up a vote abandon and it was rejected. Why should be forced to stay with rude people or have to take an unfair duty restriction because my party is full of jerks?

If set up a vote abandon and it fails, then I should be allowed to leave.

[tdb]

And how would you prevent that from being abused in the reverse situation where the one jerk in the party is upset that he won't get a free carry and wants to try again with another party?

Edit: I was incorrect, vote kick does not give penalty to the person being kicked.

[Violet_Galaxy]

Hard to believe that 30 minutes is that much of an inconvenience to you or to anybody that plays an MMO. Troll thread?

[Vahlnir]

The 30 minute penalty is harsh enough to encourage people to stay, but lenient enough to not inconvenience them too much. The system is fine as is.

[MicahZerrshia]

idk, i was farming forgotten memories yesterday and the tank in antitower pulled one pack at a time and between pulls just stood there for about 15-20 seconds before they would move. Honestly think our dnc was dual boxing, so I just left. 30 mins is not really a big deal imo compared to the frustration, i can do other random things or whatnot that I would normally do anyway.

If they were really so toxic that you could not deal with a 30 minute lock out, report them. We also do not know the whole story, your description (incompetent, rude and unhelpful, followed by claims of being treated unfairly by the system) alone tells me there was more to it than just 7 other ppl being jerks.

[JamieRose]

You know I usually weather these kinds of situations, but when 7 people are blaming me for the whole thing going bad when they're wasting LB3s to do damage on a boss with over 50% health left when 5 people are dead and I'm having to spend all my time rezzing or being rezzed because E9N mechs punish you for standing still and yet still it's somehow my fault, then I think I might be justified in not wanting to put up with that crap after inevitable wipe occurs.

There, that's my full side of the story. Y'all can go back to gainsaying me for the sake gainsaying as you always do.

[Vahlnir]

You know I usually weather these kinds of situations, but when 7 people are blaming me for the whole thing going bad when they're wasting LB3s to do damage on a boss with over 50% health left when 5 people are dead and I'm having to spend all my time rezzing or being rezzed because E9N mechs punish you for standing still and yet still it's somehow my fault, then I think I might be justified in not wanting to put up with that crap after inevitable wipe occurs.

There, that's my full side of the story. Y'all can go back to gainsaying me for the sake gainsaying as you always do.

I don't think anyone is saying that you were wrong to leave. I'd have probably left too at that point. But 30 minutes to wait and try again really isn't the end of the world. If anything, I'd use that 30 minutes to cool off. I'd suggest doing that. You are clearly upset about this. Might not be a bad idea to walk away from the PC, maybe watch something on your favorite streaming service if you have one. You'll feel better.

[Avatre]

If set up a vote abandon and it fails, then I should be allowed to leave.

You can leave. You just have to decide if taking the 30min penalty is worth it or not.

[Saccharin]

My E9N party was not only incompetent but extremely rude and unhelpful as well. I set up a vote abandon and it was rejected. Why should be forced to stay with rude people or have to take an unfair duty restriction because my party is full of jerks?

If set up a vote abandon and it fails, then I should be allowed to leave.

Democracy.

Bad is subjective.

[Packetdancer]

And how would you prevent that from being abused in the reverse situation where the one jerk in the party is upset that he won't get a free carry and wants to try again with another party?

Anything else aside... if you have someone who refuses to participate and is upset that people won't give them a free carry, and that person refuses to leave (because they don't want to take the 30 minute penalty), I'm not sure that the 'abuse' condition you describe is any worse than all the current possibilities.

Under this scenario, they can try a vote abandon and if it doesn't pass, they can leave without a penalty to try another party, yes. But even right now, the group could kick them, which means they're out without the 30 minute penalty and can leave to try another party (so, functionally the same thing). Or the other people could leave in frustration (so someone else takes the 30 minute penalty). Or the vote abandon could pass anyway, thus releasing everyone.

Or the group can sit there doing nothing because they won't go for a clear with someone who openly wants a carry, in which case everyone spends maybe 30 minutes hanging around doing nothing anyway, holding each other hostage in the duty.

I don't know that I entirely like the proposed idea, since I think it basically negates the 30 minute penalty entirely; anyone who wanted to bail mid-duty on anything for any reason could just pop Vote Abandon and then escape. And at that point, you might as well not have the 30 minute penalty at all. But I'm not convinced the 'abuse' condition for it in the situation you describe is really any worse than the existing possible outcomes there.