Suggestion: Revoke Mentorship Status

[Crossu]

So the being a Mentor is seen as a meme because of the "Burger King glamour crown" and it's pretty much true outside SOME mentors and the Novice Network. There are a lot of complains of Mentors just outright not doing their job (help new players learn the game and make their experience better). I don't think that a Mentor should be a hardcore -or even midcore- endgame raider but to have some undestanding of the basics of the games: Everyone should be using their skills.

The problem is there's no real danger of losing the Mentor status outside NN bans. So if someone runs into a bad or lazy mentor in a Duty they basically have to just suffer through the dungeon. Even worse if it's a premade where you can't even kick them.

I suggest a system not so severe like a report but like a complain system for these kinds of mentors (the reverse of commendation), once they reach a certain ammount of complain their mentorship status is revoked until they get more commendations, or something like that.

What do you think? Do you have another suggestion?

Feel free to share your experiences as well.

[Seraphor]

You're putting too much weight on the mentor system.
It's not a job, you don't get tested to get the status.
It's simply an indication that you have experience, and that it does, because in order to get it you need to have completed so much content and acquired so many commendations.

[Jijifli]

in order to get it you need to have completed so much content and acquired so many commendations.

Or just spend a few hours in Firmament, KEK.

The crafting mentor status is a literal joke to obtain, and its only saving grace is the lack of mentor roulette. But you still get a crown, you still get sprout chat, etc.

[Nabril]

Mentors are not on your payroll. The only thing a mentor agrees to do is guide people on basic game functions. It's not a mentor's job to know every dungeon or every raid or every single aspect of this game. That's not what mentors are for. A mentor is not going to stop the party in the middle of a dungeon and teach you how to play. Mentors don't have time for that.

[MsQi]

The only thing a mentor agrees to do is guide people on basic game functions.

Many don't do that.

Mentors don't have time for that.

Why not? They have something more important to do that other people don't?

[Vahlnir]

Many don't do that.


Why not? They have something more important to do that other people don't?

I think their point is that Mentors are playing the game just like everyone else. Should they be open to helping? Of course! That is what they signed up for. However, stopping anyone in the middle of a dungeon run for example is not beneficial to anyone, at least if it is something lengthy. Offering aid after the dungeon is over is probably best, unless they are asked for help in the middle of said dungeon of course. But people need to want that help as well. Personally, I will offer it only when asked, because past experience has taught me that jumping right into it will set someone off because the stigma "zomg Mentors are jerks" is still all too prevalent. But still, I leave my crown on. If someone wants to approach me for help I will do what I can to help them. If it is something I can't help with I will answer honestly, and offer an invite to the NN if they are a sprout. The crown should mean that a Mentor is approachable. When it comes to Mentors and non Mentors it's a two way street.

[Nabril]

Many don't do that.


Why not? They have something more important to do that other people don't?

Show me one dungeon party that's willing to stop the run so that a mentor can coach everyone. I've never seen one. Everyone wants to run ahead and pull everything as fast as the healer can heal. Get everyone in the game to agree to give mentors time to teach and then come back and let me know.

Also, please get them to make DPS meters legal so that mentors CAN teach people how to get better.

[MsQi]

Show me one dungeon party that's willing to stop the run so that a mentor can coach everyone. I've never seen one. Everyone wants to run ahead and pull everything as fast as the healer can heal. Get everyone in the game to agree to give mentors time to teach and then come back and let me know.

Also, please get them to make DPS meters legal so that mentors CAN teach people how to get better.

Nice tirade, but irrelevant to what was said. Giving a mentor time and giving them DPS meters won't make them anymore able to teach than someone who isn't a mentor.

[Lithios]

Show me one dungeon party that's willing to stop the run so that a mentor can coach everyone. I've never seen one. Everyone wants to run ahead and pull everything as fast as the healer can heal. Get everyone in the game to agree to give mentors time to teach and then come back and let me know.

Also, please get them to make DPS meters legal so that mentors CAN teach people how to get better.

It's not a mentor's job to start explaining people's toolkit or rotation mid dungeon. At best you only need tell them things that would bring them up to base competence, like telling a tank to use cooldowns or saying that using AOE attacks is better than using single target when there are 3 or more enemies, etc. All things that take a single sentence to say. At the end of the dungeon, you can still point them towards resources where they can find the needed help, like the balance discord.

[Vahlnir]

It's not a mentor's job to start explaining people's toolkit or rotation mid dungeon. At best you only need tell them things that would bring them up to base competence, like telling a tank to use cooldowns or saying that using AOE attacks is better than using single target when there are 3 or more enemies, etc. All things that take a single sentence to say. At the end of the dungeon, you can still point them towards resources where they can find the needed help, like the balance discord.

I wanted to offer some basic tips to a tank in a dungeon earlier, but past experience has made me wary of how people will react. The tank would pop every single CD every time they came off of CD, including Superbolide...right before pulling a boss. After a certain point I felt like I had to say something about his Superbolide usage, so I did. I couldn't take it anymore. I'm sure the healer was tired of the mini heart attacks as well. But I wasn't a jerk about it. I even tried to sugarcoat it in a playful manner. I don't think I saw them use it the rest of the dungeon. He didn't need to, which was the point I made. The rest...I figured I'd leave to someone else. I already took a risk saying what I did. Didn't want to push my luck trying to get more in depth with their...unique rotation.