Crafting and Marketboard botting

[Reap00]

I agree. there will ALWAYS be bots as the some people say as an excuse but the reality is, SE does little to even try and prevent it or punish it. if they even bothered to put in some effort to stop the problem, but that seems either beneath... or beyond them.

The people that say there will always be bots are 100% correct. Bots make money. They will ALWAYS be a part of mmos. ALWAYS. SE bans one they create 100 more. It is a constant battle that will never end. The only way the war on bots could and would end is if people stopped buying gil. We know that will never happen.

[Espritduo]

As long as people feel there is no chance of them being punished for buying gil, they will continue to do it. When SE starts going after the gil BUYERS with any semblance of seriousness, then you will see results. Going after sellers will always be wasted time since they have no investment in the game itself, whereas the buyers very much do and would very much stay away from buying gil if they actually thought they'd get banned for it.

[Canadane]

They do get banned and yes, they do create new bots too, even more of them than get banned. The thing is, along with stolen accounts (fishing websites hello), they also apparently buy copies of the game, as otherwise you can't use any trading tools at all, making unpaid bot account simply useless, and you can't steal that many accounts solely for botting (given that usually they are only interested in money character has, not in the account itself, as I can see people successfully logging back after they were robbed).

So it's kind of... weird, because as much as they are annoying and in some cases straightforward harmful, they also bring some cash to the company, and it's not like SE can prohibit people buying the game. Unless there will be some type of in-game tool to exchange real money for Gil, there's not much what they can do sadly (and I think they said that selling Gil for money officially is unlikely to ever happen for some legal reasons they have in Japan or something).

I almost guarantee you that the bots that purchase the game use stolen CC information, it's not like it's coming from their gil sale profits.
I do wonder if SE ever actually sees any of that money.

[Reap00]

As long as people feel there is no chance of them being punished for buying gil, they will continue to do it. When SE starts going after the gil BUYERS with any semblance of seriousness, then you will see results. Going after sellers will always be wasted time since they have no investment in the game itself, whereas the buyers very much do and would very much stay away from buying gil if they actually thought they'd get banned for it.

You expect SE to control people that are impulsive to change their ways? You expect SE to expend resources attempting to root out every case of gil buying? As I said above this will never end. I have been playing mmos since their inception and RMT has been a part of every single game. This will not change.

[Moonlite]

As long as people feel there is no chance of them being punished for buying gil, they will continue to do it. When SE starts going after the gil BUYERS with any semblance of seriousness, then you will see results. Going after sellers will always be wasted time since they have no investment in the game itself, whereas the buyers very much do and would very much stay away from buying gil if they actually thought they'd get banned for it.

They don't even ban the people that cheat in game. You see how many players are punished when they post their PR numbers. I haven't looked in a while, but I am not sure I have ever seen more then 5 players banned. That is just an amazing number. Less then one player per server is botting.

You expect SE to control people that are impulsive to change their ways? You expect SE to expend resources attempting to root out every case of gil buying? As I said above this will never end. I have been playing mmos since their inception and RMT has been a part of every single game. This will not change.

Yes bots will exist. But SE also doesn't seem to make much effort. They at least used to have GMs ban paying customers that were cheating in 11. They don't even do that much.

[Reap00]

They don't even ban the people that cheat in game. You see how many players are punished when they post their PR numbers. I haven't looked in a while, but I am not sure I have ever seen more then 5 players banned. That is just an amazing number. Less then one player per server is botting.





Yes bots will exist. But SE also doesn't seem to make much effort. They at least used to have GMs ban paying customers that were cheating in 11. They don't even do that much.

I see. You don't see the effort so you assume there is no effort. Do you expect them to say HEY GUYS WE ARE GOING TO START GOING AFTER BOTS THIS WEEK! They do things behind the scenes if my exclamation wasn't on the nose.

[Moonlite]

I see. You don't see the effort so you assume there is no effort. Do you expect them to say HEY GUYS WE ARE GOING TO START GOING AFTER BOTS THIS WEEK! They do things behind the scenes if my exclamation wasn't on the nose.

Did you not see the first part of the post you quoted? About how many non rmt players they ban. Which probably should have said "guessed" non rmt. I want you to look at this report aug 13 and the this recent report.



・Participation in RMT/prohibited activities
　・Accounts terminated: 4,754
　・Accounts temporarily suspended: 11
・Botting activity (Using any number of third party tools that allow for automation)
　・Accounts terminated: 5
　・Accounts temporarily suspended: 10
[*Botting activity by RMT vendors has been included under "Participation in RMT/prohibited activities."]
・RMT advertising
　・Accounts terminated: 573


now the most recent one


・Participation in RMT/prohibited activities
　・Accounts terminated: 3,512

・RMT advertising
　・Accounts terminated: 687


Now it is possible they decided the other info wasn't important. Or it is possible the other info was so low they didn't want to post it. They always ban rmt bots. I am not sure if they are the only company that takes the passive approach and allow the damage to be done. But players that seem to be regular everyday cheaters don't seem to get punished. In other games I have played if enough people reported someone a GM would take them out of the game. What happen after that, I don't know. But I never saw those players name again.

[Espritduo]

You expect SE to control people that are impulsive to change their ways? You expect SE to expend resources attempting to root out every case of gil buying? As I said above this will never end. I have been playing mmos since their inception and RMT has been a part of every single game. This will not change.

Unlike the bots, you don't need to root out ever single player who buys gil, not even a large fraction of them. All you need to do is put SOME effort into getting SOME of them and most of the rest will realize it's too risky now to buy gil and will decide not to do it. It's the same as real life. You don't catch every criminal who ever commits a crime, but as long as you make a show of catching some of them, the rest of the populace tends to behave themselves that much better. People buy gil not because they just can't control themselves and have to break the rules, they do it because they know they won't get caught.

[Reap00]

Unlike the bots, you don't need to root out ever single player who buys gil, not even a large fraction of them. All you need to do is put SOME effort into getting SOME of them and most of the rest will realize it's too risky now to buy gil and will decide not to do it. It's the same as real life. You don't catch every criminal who ever commits a crime, but as long as you make a show of catching some of them, the rest of the populace tends to behave themselves that much better. People buy gil not because they just can't control themselves and have to break the rules, they do it because they know they won't get caught.

They do get caught. There are RMT reports that indicate accounts banned. There is your proof of effort. Happy? I know you won't be. You want to beat a worthless old dead horse as long as you can. I say go for it. I am bored.

[Kes13a]

You expect SE to control people that are impulsive to change their ways? You expect SE to expend resources attempting to root out every case of gil buying? As I said above this will never end. I have been playing mmos since their inception and RMT has been a part of every single game. This will not change.

Since you are an ancient player and have been playing since the inception of mmo's I am sure you remember that at one time, there was a lot more trepidation regarding buying in game currency because the cloud hanging overhead was usually a 2 week ban followed by a perma ban for a second offence. that controls people... not the company. as someone else said, they dont need to root out every player buying gil, but they do need to root out at least some, and once that starts circulating, a lot of people who wouldnt want a suspension or ban, would stop buying.

to suggest otherwise is an indication that either you havent been around since the dawn of mmo's, or you dont mind cheating.