Crafting and Marketboard botting

[SavishSalacious]

Is there any way to combat the bots in this game? I've reported them all atleast a dozen times or more. They have been doing it over 2 years. The same bots, day after day non stop flooding the market and undercut botting at all hours when they're in their apartment. Always on without fail. Always gathering, if not gathering they're in their apartment crafting and marketboard botting.

I've been told to just use the PF to sell that there's nothing that can be done.

I do this. I over run markets and drive prices down Hello!

As for bots, nope you gotta play their game and do it better then them.

[KageTokage]

Most of the crafter/gatherer bots on my server either have separate alts that are camped out by a retainer bell undercutting 24/7 or check/adjust the prices themselves after every single timed node they visit.

You're not going to "do it better then them" unless you're willing to constantly figure out what price they're unwilling to go under and selling for that much, but they'll quickly notice and set the floor even lower within a few hours.

I tried playing that game with them for a time but it got to a point where I could be making more guaranteed income from leve spamming or treasure maps, so I gave up.

[Sindele]

It's amazing just how much even FFXIV's own tools will out them and yet they won't do anything. Follow the Mateus FC standings back week by week or month by month and you'll see some incredibly, spectacularly obvious outliers with consistent behavior tracking back for an eternity. Someone with access to the DBs could run a search for gear in circulation on Mateus with a certain handful of signatures on it and find at least four - again - spectacularly obvious outliers that have been mass producing for years. You can watch one run through the Quicksand on nearly an hourly basis, 24/7, with blatantly irregular playing patterns and zero attempt to even conceal it.

It's quite literally at the point that it raises the question: why *not* bot? There's evidently zero enforcement risk and zero willingness to trace things back to the source, you're at greater risk posting screenshots on Twitter or datamining content that will be public in <24 hours than you are gather/craft botting on a secondary account 24/7 and bending the economy to your will. The only way to get any attention directed on these things is apparently to make sure it happens live on an official stream, or make a big public fuss about it that can't be ignored by PR.

[Espritduo]

As long as people feel there is no chance of them being punished for buying gil, they will continue to do it. When SE starts going after the gil BUYERS with any semblance of seriousness, then you will see results. Going after sellers will always be wasted time since they have no investment in the game itself, whereas the buyers very much do and would very much stay away from buying gil if they actually thought they'd get banned for it.

[Reap00]

As long as people feel there is no chance of them being punished for buying gil, they will continue to do it. When SE starts going after the gil BUYERS with any semblance of seriousness, then you will see results. Going after sellers will always be wasted time since they have no investment in the game itself, whereas the buyers very much do and would very much stay away from buying gil if they actually thought they'd get banned for it.

You expect SE to control people that are impulsive to change their ways? You expect SE to expend resources attempting to root out every case of gil buying? As I said above this will never end. I have been playing mmos since their inception and RMT has been a part of every single game. This will not change.

[Espritduo]

You expect SE to control people that are impulsive to change their ways? You expect SE to expend resources attempting to root out every case of gil buying? As I said above this will never end. I have been playing mmos since their inception and RMT has been a part of every single game. This will not change.

Unlike the bots, you don't need to root out ever single player who buys gil, not even a large fraction of them. All you need to do is put SOME effort into getting SOME of them and most of the rest will realize it's too risky now to buy gil and will decide not to do it. It's the same as real life. You don't catch every criminal who ever commits a crime, but as long as you make a show of catching some of them, the rest of the populace tends to behave themselves that much better. People buy gil not because they just can't control themselves and have to break the rules, they do it because they know they won't get caught.

[Reap00]

Unlike the bots, you don't need to root out ever single player who buys gil, not even a large fraction of them. All you need to do is put SOME effort into getting SOME of them and most of the rest will realize it's too risky now to buy gil and will decide not to do it. It's the same as real life. You don't catch every criminal who ever commits a crime, but as long as you make a show of catching some of them, the rest of the populace tends to behave themselves that much better. People buy gil not because they just can't control themselves and have to break the rules, they do it because they know they won't get caught.

They do get caught. There are RMT reports that indicate accounts banned. There is your proof of effort. Happy? I know you won't be. You want to beat a worthless old dead horse as long as you can. I say go for it. I am bored.

[Kes13a]

You expect SE to control people that are impulsive to change their ways? You expect SE to expend resources attempting to root out every case of gil buying? As I said above this will never end. I have been playing mmos since their inception and RMT has been a part of every single game. This will not change.

Since you are an ancient player and have been playing since the inception of mmo's I am sure you remember that at one time, there was a lot more trepidation regarding buying in game currency because the cloud hanging overhead was usually a 2 week ban followed by a perma ban for a second offence. that controls people... not the company. as someone else said, they dont need to root out every player buying gil, but they do need to root out at least some, and once that starts circulating, a lot of people who wouldnt want a suspension or ban, would stop buying.

to suggest otherwise is an indication that either you havent been around since the dawn of mmo's, or you dont mind cheating.

[Moonlite]

As long as people feel there is no chance of them being punished for buying gil, they will continue to do it. When SE starts going after the gil BUYERS with any semblance of seriousness, then you will see results. Going after sellers will always be wasted time since they have no investment in the game itself, whereas the buyers very much do and would very much stay away from buying gil if they actually thought they'd get banned for it.

They don't even ban the people that cheat in game. You see how many players are punished when they post their PR numbers. I haven't looked in a while, but I am not sure I have ever seen more then 5 players banned. That is just an amazing number. Less then one player per server is botting.

You expect SE to control people that are impulsive to change their ways? You expect SE to expend resources attempting to root out every case of gil buying? As I said above this will never end. I have been playing mmos since their inception and RMT has been a part of every single game. This will not change.

Yes bots will exist. But SE also doesn't seem to make much effort. They at least used to have GMs ban paying customers that were cheating in 11. They don't even do that much.

[Reap00]

They don't even ban the people that cheat in game. You see how many players are punished when they post their PR numbers. I haven't looked in a while, but I am not sure I have ever seen more then 5 players banned. That is just an amazing number. Less then one player per server is botting.





Yes bots will exist. But SE also doesn't seem to make much effort. They at least used to have GMs ban paying customers that were cheating in 11. They don't even do that much.

I see. You don't see the effort so you assume there is no effort. Do you expect them to say HEY GUYS WE ARE GOING TO START GOING AFTER BOTS THIS WEEK! They do things behind the scenes if my exclamation wasn't on the nose.