Adjustments to MCH design without reworking from scratch

[Payotz]

Id rather do that if what we are "homogenzing" wasnt complex to begin with, aswell as fine tune whats available, MCH retaining what it is plus more is alot of padding as is unless they dont add anything but a aoe and a shallow upgrade which is the strongest possibility. This is purley a manner of perspective though as we have very different views on MCH. But MCH can do better than 6 ogcd and 2 gcds and call it "rapid" rather than being rapid like MNK or BRD after Arm's muse.

I honestly really disagree, and this is not just for MCH, but for the sake of BRD as well.
BRD being good at multi target should be kept. It's a major part of its gameplay and adds a lot of incentive to actually main multiple jobs within a subrole rather than one.
Yes, MCH can do better than its current state, but that doesn't mean we should destroy the base. If anything, they should build on it(or you know revert it *wink* *wink*).
The job is barebones enough as it is.

[Raikai]

At this rate I'm pretty satisfied on how MCH currently is, but I agree with Wildfire being such a boring moment.

As long as the job maintains its "Machinist/Gadgeteer" feel with the Tools, I wouldn't mind a Wildfire rework, as long as it is not ping restrictive as it once was.

The only thing that I defnitely abhor about the SB MCH design was the clunkiness (+RNGness) of the 1-2-3 combo and the Gauss Barrel pointless mechanic, which I'm glad they are gone for.

Flamethrower also defo deserves more love, I like the idea of it interacting with Bio Blaster's poison dot as well. I just don't know why you can't even face another direction with it... I presume, since is a thing that happens in many other similar skills without a clear reason, that must be a technical limitation or something.

[Jirah]

At this rate I'm pretty satisfied on how MCH currently is, but I agree with Wildfire being such a boring moment.

As long as the job maintains its "Machinist/Gadgeteer" feel with the Tools, I wouldn't mind a Wildfire rework, as long as it is not ping restrictive as it once was.

The only thing that I defnitely abhor about the SB MCH design was the clunkiness (+RNGness) of the 1-2-3 combo and the Gauss Barrel pointless mechanic, which I'm glad they are gone for.

its so bad DNC adopted it with thunderous applause and even less control 15/30 second interludes isnt a entirety and i with how many things SB did wrong im shocked this is still a gripe with Eld MCH as it was the least of its concerns unless they werent playing it correctly. If you noticed ranged arent supposed to have generic 1-2-3 rotations as it isnt melee and needs abit of finesse to stand out and this was MCH compromise only to be reduced by the same flawed crap they avoided not only but even being less complex than most tanks and all of the melees

tbh the tools (Air, Auto, Drill, Bio) really didnt add much to layer out MCH in a interesting way or impactful way. along with queen its pure style and no substance being the only link to MCH core gameplay loop is naught since wildfire is reduced to a beta weaker and less frequent Tsubame-gaeshi. Least Auto is linked to heat without literally its only benefit leaving skills like ricochet as lateral as flamethrower.

Gauss barrel was pointless to a fashion and wouldve been easier just to replace it with a trait at 52 since it really is a fragment of HW MCH, but was a much better gauge skill than what we have now the battery is a shackle to what we used to have free control over and heat is a remedial resource since it only is used for rapid fire which no longer exists on our rotation and trivializes the heated rotation, what used to be earned and savored, to smut thats mind-numbing in its ridiculousness. Im very passionate about MCH so i hope what they do EW breathes fresh air to MCH not stagnate it to even more pointless fodder and false sense of speed smothing out mechanics with ogcds

[Raikai]

its so bad DNC adopted it with thunderous applause and even less control 15/30 second interludes isnt a entirety and i with how many things SB did wrong im shocked this is still a gripe with Eld MCH as it was the least of its concerns unless they werent playing it correctly. If you noticed ranged arent supposed to have generic 1-2-3 rotations as it isnt melee and needs abit of finesse to stand out and this was MCH compromise only to be reduced by the same flawed crap they avoided not only but even being less complex than most tanks and all of the melees

tbh the tools (Air, Auto, Drill, Bio) really didnt add much to layer out MCH in a interesting way or impactful way. along with queen its pure style and no substance being the only link to MCH core gameplay loop is naught since wildfire is reduced to a beta weaker and less frequent Tsubame-gaeshi. Least Auto is linked to heat without literally its only benefit leaving skills like ricochet as lateral as flamethrower.

Gauss barrel was pointless to a fashion and wouldve been easier just to replace it with a trait at 52 since it really is a fragment of HW MCH, but was a much better gauge skill than what we have now the battery is a shackle to what we used to have free control over and heat is a remedial resource since it only is used for rapid fire which no longer exists on our rotation and trivializes the heated rotation, what used to be earned and savored, to smut thats mind-numbing in its ridiculousness. Im very passionate about MCH so i hope what they do EW breathes fresh air to MCH not stagnate it to even more pointless fodder and false sense of speed smothing out mechanics with ogcds

Hm, while I find DNC rng quite annoying, isn't nearly as what SB MCH was. And when I sy 1-2-3 combo I mean the "filler", I'm fully aware of how it actually worked. I just think the filler combo isn't exactly a good place to add such level of randomness because it's basically where you spend most of your time at.

When I speak on the Tools, I surely mean more like the "fantasy" of using them rather than just the actual gameplay behind it. I know the implementation is quite "monotonous" as well, since they're basically just damaging abilities without any real interaction with a lot of stuff - but at least they're there.

I'm sorry to point out this, but your reply was really hard to read without commas :/

[Jirah]

Hm, while I find DNC rng quite annoying, isn't nearly as what SB MCH was. And when I sy 1-2-3 combo I mean the "filler", I'm fully aware of how it actually worked. I just think the filler combo isn't exactly a good place to add such level of randomness because it's basically where you spend most of your time at.

When I speak on the Tools, I surely mean more like the "fantasy" of using them rather than just the actual gameplay behind it. I know the implementation is quite "monotonous" as well, since they're basically just damaging abilities without any real interaction with a lot of stuff - but at least they're there.

I'm sorry to point out this, but your reply was really hard to read without commas :/

My bad on the comment thing lol

but i also argue a incredibly basic 1-2-3 isnt the best substitute no matter how many ogcd gcd they throw at you. Yea the randomness in its basic combo wouldnt normally work but with how often you have ammo it should be a non issue. Ive only spammed the same skill maybe 3 times the most waiting for ammo..along side Guass and Cooldown and Hot shot was well kept. SB had alot of things to be looking out for which worked well with its ammo based rotation. BRD back then had a similar font with bloodletter (Gauss round) Heavy shot (Split Shot) and Straight arrow (Hot shot) comparative speaking they both were unique but borrowing eachothers standard "rotations" with BRD lacking a 1-2-3 and getting dots.

among all this strife id love to see what would happen if SE didnt abandon its ammo and heat gauges, the tools wouldve benefited MCH kit with much needed aoe options and the best QoL of all, HYpercharge no longer needing to FT for heat. Battery no longer being a shackle, Air anchor giving MCH us the old Hot Shot buff. Provided some heavy adjustments it wouldve been great...it still can be great but MCH regardless what route its gonna take with even more removals, being clunky again, or worse nothing at all, I just hope it improves upon SHB. The very last thing i want and i hope MCH mains old and new want, is for the job to barley budge a inch.

[Raikai]

HYpercharge no longer needing to FT for heat.

Now that you mentioned this, I think actually it was one of the worst aspects of SB MCH for me. I'm all for jobs that reward clever usage and timing of skills, but the whole "Clip FT at 1 tick" (or something like that if I remember correctly) promoted a really abysmal "optimized" play.

At this rate, my expectations for EW's MCH are:
- Keeping up with the Tools "fantasy" - finally the job feels like a true Machinist and not just an acrobatic gunner (which would totally warrant its own job tbh);
- Make the AoE rotations more interesting;
- Rework Wildfire (as long as it's not extremely punishing for people without the perfect ping);
- An AoE version of battery spender: A new robot, or a tool that consumes battery instead... anything;