Another patch, another 4-ish months of healer suffering.

[Absurdity]

To be fair, just because the average pug dps doesn't use all their tools doesn't mean that they should be balanced around that. The average pug dps can't even weave skills that well, but that doesn't mean that they should take away the ability to weave OGCDs *coughs in WHM and AST*

We're not talking about oGCDs in general, we're talking specifically about Feint and Addle. I've yet to actually see a Feint used in any savage pug and Addle isn't exactly all that frequent either despite almost everything being magic damage, they might see some more use when you give them to a healer that would otherwise only be spamming 1...granted they would need some more weaving opportunities for it.

[Dogempire]

We're not talking about oGCDs in general, we're talking specifically about Feint and Addle. I've yet to actually see a Feint used in any savage pug and Addle isn't exactly all that frequent either despite almost everything being magic damage, they might see some more use when you give them to a healer that would otherwise only be spamming 1...granted they would need some more weaving opportunities for it.

Well my point is that just because pugs don't use it doesn't mean that it's a tool they shouldn't have. People on the higher end of the skill spectrum will make use of it even if the average joe won't.

When you start catering job tools to the lower end of the skill spectrum then you end up with the current iteration of healers where outside of scholar you can't even weave properly, plus you take away control from the dps who want to have some sort of impact on the fight other than hitting the boss really really really hard

[Side-Eye]

When you start catering job tools to the lower end of the skill spectrum then you end up with the current iteration of healers ...

FFXIV 5.0's treatment of healers should be a cautionary footnote in the annals of online gaming.

[Absurdity]

Well my point is that just because pugs don't use it doesn't mean that it's a tool they shouldn't have. People on the higher end of the skill spectrum will make use of it even if the average joe won't.

When you start catering job tools to the lower end of the skill spectrum then you end up with the current iteration of healers where outside of scholar you can't even weave properly, plus you take away control from the dps who want to have some sort of impact on the fight other than hitting the boss really really really hard

You're certainly not wrong, I'm just being petty here. Maybe what we need is dps being dumbed down some more as well, so we finally get the majority of players to complain.

[Realism_Snide]

I’ve only played WHM so I don’t know about the other healers, but all I want is they leave WHM gameplay alone. They can change up the other healers, I don’t care. If they add some dumb complexity bs or whatever, then m dropping it. I play WHM because of its simplicity. I have problems trying to remember complex rotations and stuff (looking at you BLM and RDM). I’m terrible at dps classes and don’t ask me to tank. WHM is the only class that actually clicks for me.

Did you try Dancer yet? Cause it sounds like it would be a good job for you, I think. Its not complex, and really doesn't need much or any optimisation to do good damage, if you don't want to optimize it. Your dps is pretty much press 1 button and press any glowing button afterwards, and check for feathers just like how you check for your afflatus. And dance when its back up again. Even the dancing mechanic of it is press the glowing button. Or would that still something too complex for you?

[LeonKeyh]

Did you try Dancer yet? Cause it sounds like it would be a good job for you, I think. Its not complex, and really doesn't need much or any optimisation to do good damage, if you don't want to optimize it. Your dps is pretty much press 1 button and press any glowing button afterwards, and check for feathers just like how you check for your afflatus. And dance when its back up again. Even the dancing mechanic of it is press the glowing button. Or would that still something too complex for you?

Dancer is definitely a nice relaxing job, but so is RDM. I'm a little confused at why the person you responded to thinks that RDM is complex. I'd imagine that DNC would be seen as "complex" as well if that's the case.