Matoya’s Relict Critique

[Jirah]

Matoya’s Relict is the 7th 80s Dungeon in Shadowbringers thus far and is 1/2 “Expert” Dungeons available for Roulette. It’s also not very good disregarding the music and visuals.

Trash 1 & Boss 1:
Same old Same Old, Ziggy’s Son makes a appearance but has no real detrimental mechs so it’s just a bigger Trash mob

The boss is incredibly underwhelming, it could’ve been interesting but the mechs aren’t that hazardous standard stack standard quake Aoe and it’s dead.

Trash 2 & Boss 2:
I feel this dungeon would’ve greatly benefited if this trash mobs weren’t gated so much, Same thing nothing special or interesting

Abit more interesting than Mudman, look at walls don’t fall off the sides with the water pumps and kill the adds. Least it’s pretty

Trash 3 & Boss 3:
A tiny glint of hazards appears twice...then back to sleep with adds and a solo mob. I like solo mobs...I like them even more if they have some mech behind them like the Qitana Ravel or Ghimlyt.

Porxie fight is as good as this place gets. DPS check is a joke, the Snort mechanic is fun and the rest is routine stuff. Knock back Aoe markers ,that happens every fight on this place, and end scene

In conclusion Matoya’s Relict is rather bland. This is a 80s dungeon I think we can handle a little bit of a curve ball or more difficult trash. A step down from Gauntlet but not the worst 80s dungeon debatably no dungeon is bad in Ff14 but rarely do any escape the bland as bread routine we’ve been doing for 3 expansions straight

[Vyrerus]

From a story perspective it makes sense that most of what in there is rather tame, practically a non-threat. This is our first dungeon back on the Source, and it's in an area that we conquered at level 60. The creatures inside were created by people whose power levels weren't even in the shadow of the ghost of where we are at now.

I mean, I would have preferred a more threatening dungeon, more fun trash, and bosses with more HP, but... it really wouldn't make sense if we walked in there, and the familiars run amok were so strong and fanciful that they were actually hard for us to deal with.

And, of course, we run into the tired discussion of, "The playerbase wants dungeons to be easy non-committal affairs that are braindead easy. As such, the dev team doesn't feel the need to put a ton of effort into anything other than the visuals."

Personally I found the music whacky and fun, and it kind of felt like a Halloween, Trick or Treat type dungeon to me. I also couldn't help but feel like the first segment was a reference to the poop dungeon that was, Saint Mocianne's HM. The vortex holes were even reminiscent of toilets.

I find most of your critique accurate, but I don't agree with the, "dungeons have been bland for 3 expansions straight." commentary. Dungeon quality has been in decline since Stormblood, though.

On some level, after you've taken up raiding for even just one tier of Savage or back in the day, Coil, no dungeon was ever going to truly challenge you as a player again. Especially considering the playerbase loudly voted out dungeons with teeth back in 2.1.

[DrWho2010]

I bet you're the kind of person that would see the Mona Lisa in the Louvre and be like, "eh, it's just a picture of some woman. boring. she doesn't even have any eyebrows wtf SE pfft 'lore reasons'."

[Mchappy]

I sympathize with the critique. I thought playing around with z-axis movement, getting knocked up into the air, was pretty cool. The second and third fights are definitely better than the first one.

The only thing I found myself mildly disappointed in was that the path to the final boss seemed almost like a copy & paste of Sohm Al (Hard). Granted, it was a lot more colorful and beautiful. It just seemed a little all too familiar.

I find most of your critique accurate, but I don't agree with the, "dungeons have been bland for 3 expansions straight." commentary. Dungeon quality has been in decline since Stormblood, though.

Surely this is felt since the Dev team went down from two dungeons per major patch to one. You would think that concentrating on one they'd be able to allocate more resources to it, but- for me personally- I feel that the reason I agree with your point here has to do with that timely decision.

[Besame]

Matoya’s Relict is the 7th 80s Dungeon in Shadowbringers thus far and is 1/2 “Expert” Dungeons available for Roulette. It’s also not very good disregarding the music and visuals.

Trash 1 & Boss 1:
Same old Same Old, Ziggy’s Son makes a appearance but has no real detrimental mechs so it’s just a bigger Trash mob

The boss is incredibly underwhelming, it could’ve been interesting but the mechs aren’t that hazardous standard stack standard quake Aoe and it’s dead.

Trash 2 & Boss 2:
I feel this dungeon would’ve greatly benefited if this trash mobs weren’t gated so much, Same thing nothing special or interesting

Abit more interesting than Mudman, look at walls don’t fall off the sides with the water pumps and kill the adds. Least it’s pretty

Trash 3 & Boss 3:
A tiny glint of hazards appears twice...then back to sleep with adds and a solo mob. I like solo mobs...I like them even more if they have some mech behind them like the Qitana Ravel or Ghimlyt.

Porxie fight is as good as this place gets. DPS check is a joke, the Snort mechanic is fun and the rest is routine stuff. Knock back Aoe markers ,that happens every fight on this place, and end scene

In conclusion Matoya’s Relict is rather bland. This is a 80s dungeon I think we can handle a little bit of a curve ball or more difficult trash. A step down from Gauntlet but not the worst 80s dungeon debatably no dungeon is bad in Ff14 but rarely do any escape the bland as bread routine we’ve been doing for 3 expansions straight

If you like difficulty, go play any of the other multitude of dungeons available and leave the MSQ stuff to the non-leets

[DrWho2010]

You would think that concentrating on one they'd be able to allocate more resources to it.

that's not how it works. having only one dungeon means that we got other content instead like Bozja/Castrum/Delubrium instead.

[Mchappy]

that's not how it works. having only one dungeon means that we got other content instead like Bozja/Castrum/Delubrium instead.

Good point! It's not that I was exactly implying that I wish they'd put more resources into dungeons but I get your drift. Technically Stormblood was able to provide us with two dungeons every other patch while also releasing Eureka, Heaven on High content, etc.

[Masked-dingus]

that's not how it works. having only one dungeon means that we got other content instead like Bozja/Castrum/Delubrium instead.

except Bozja, for exemple, is mostly empty, it's just an instanced zone filled with FATE
while HW Fates give memories faster, Bozja coins ( and castum ) are useless if you don't want the gear

so yeah, i would have expected more from the new '' Expert ''

And since this thread was about analyzung it, i think OP was right

it's just the old recipe of 2 packs of VERY squishy trashs, then boss, then repeat, with 1 or 2 spots where you have to wait for the path to open up so they can at least slow you down a bit

[Masked-dingus]

I bet you're the kind of person that would see the Mona Lisa in the Louvre and be like, "eh, it's just a picture of some woman. boring. she doesn't even have any eyebrows wtf SE pfft 'lore reasons'."

You're a bit extreme in your comparison here

When i'm able to clear a dungeon, properly first run while doing something else besides, i think it's ok to criticize it being the new '' Expert ''

[Infindox]

It was easy but I enjoyed it. I kinda liked the mechanics in the Nixie and Mother Porxie that were a bit unique.
I also like how the dungeon just looks and sounds, especially the "fantasia" area.
At least it doesn't have a "go to sleep" part like Anaminesis Anyder.