Player's Poll: FFXIV or FFXI-2?

[Beorhtel_Fet]

Off Topic: lol this thread is hilarious /popcorn on

On Topic: A couple things to keep in mind:

1. Numbers do not always mean a game is good. An example of this would be SE's own Final Fantasy 13, which sold many copies but considered a failure even in SE's eyes. Just because other MMO's have alot of people does not necessarily make them good games it just means they happen to have alot of subscriptions at the time, which can be influenced by alot of things. SE as a business would like those subscriptions though and I can understand having things a bit more casual and easier to pick up, but it shouldn't be so casual that you can level all of your battle classes to max in less than a month.

2. This is a Final Fantasy MMO it should draw heavily on other Final Fantasy games first and foremost above anything else, which includes 11 whether people like it or not. I'm not saying it shouldn't bring things in from other games, I'm just saying if they are drawing in from other MMO's FF11 should have the most influence. With that being said, I also don't think this game should be a very similar copy of it with a new storyline and better graphics SE tried that once before, it was called Final Fantasy 12 and at least imo it sucked. The game I think should be a mix of various MMO influences shifted slightly more towards the FFXI side than anything. Problem is on these forums you tend to get people who want only 11 stuff or only other stuff and everybody else that wants somewhere in between tends to get ignored because the other two sides are too busy causing huge uproars over stupid things like anima.

Sorry for the long post

[Zaaku]

Welp we're nearing the 2nd day of voting and we're got a decent set of results for the first 24 hours.

A near split down the center slightly favoring a more FFXI flavored MMO with a large group of no-contention voters who want a mixture between the two.

Honestly I suppose the poll would have benefited from a 3rd option but not much we can do now. Please bare in mind two things however.

A: This is a poll for us players. I have no ambitions that this little thread is going to change the course of FFXIV and the devs will begin rescripting based on the votes. This is for *US* players right now. A means of measuring how many people want a new game and how many players want them to stick to the traditional set up of FFXI. So the next time someone says, "Well a majority of the subscribers would want this..." there is some rough estimate how far out of his ass he is talking.

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[SionDurant]

Tell me what FF had solo play? None, every FF encouraged to "party" with people(npcs). So why should this FF break away from that nice bond.

Rokien you're just silly and I don't want to describe it any other way, you want a party play game but your ridiculous belief is that the only way to get it is to railroad people who want the ability to level solo or finish minor quests solo.

You Are the guy who stacks 75s, sits in Juno or Aht Urghan and gets his entertainment from making what you think are witty comments to what you think are female players. I know that now for an almost certainty.

I actually agree that every Mmo should be party based, but I should also be able to soak in some face time developing my hero solo, or villain if I want, there's still something called "rpg" attached to the genre. I shouldn't need a team to kill field rabble, I should need a team to kill the Hundreds of branding mobs from the FF series. Squall could take out most field enemies by himself until you get to the engage phase. In fact most all of ff main characters could solo passes the 2nd game, so that argument doesn't really work.

XI barely had a pulse, XIV is it's zombie. You should be asking SE to make a game that strikes the market and provides what you desire in the form of more meaningful challenges. Be honest, do you want to fight random stupid looking raptors and wolves? Or would you like to explore lands infested with marlborols ( always misspell that ) tonberries, maybe take out nms and hnms, fight in deep dungeon style raids or groups like the planned crystal tower that frankly sounds amazing?

Again, the market speaks for itself. Swtor sold a lot of boxes boasting its ability to make the mmorpg gamer feel truly heroic, it lost a lot of subscribers failing to actually make a fluid system of endgame, though it has still more active players than XIV..

Don't let your boyfriend (SE) abuse you anymore, stand up, come outside and see that today's technology and programming mixed with yesterday's writing and imagination is key to saving this game, put away your odd draconian rule book which was really pilfered from eq and Ultima somewhat poorly, and accept that hardly any gamers want that crap in their games and you probably don't either.

I bet if XIV was sitting on 2 million active players, there would have been 1 exp pack, and 2 more planned by now, we would be arguing about rumors regarding new races and jobs as opposed to how to help SE fix their broken concepts. The time spent ingame would be more meaningful, link shells would be abustle with chatter and drama, people would be cranking away at trying to get into crystal tower groups or other raids etc.

With post and vote number one NONE OF WHAT I JUST DESCRIBED WILL EVER COME TRUE! Look at reality for what it is. The economy is busted, people are depressed just watched a video of a man beating a pregnant woman for 50 dollars! You think someone wants to login to a game where they get beaten by foolish concepts for 9 a month while the real world does that to them daily and worse? Think again buster.

[Zaaku]

With post and vote number one NONE OF WHAT I JUST DESCRIBED WILL EVER COME TRUE! Look at reality for what it is. The economy is busted, people are depressed just watched a video of a man beating a pregnant woman for 50 dollars! You think someone wants to login to a game where they get beaten by foolish concepts for 9 a month while the real world does that to them daily and worse? Think again buster.

This is EXACTLY why I made this poll. So when you say this I can tell you, "At least and a bit more then HALF of the players disagree with you. Stop including them in your broad strokes because some of us WANT exactly what you hate."

[Elgeron]

First, I don´t know if this thread is a joke or not (damn my limitated english skills ) but if it is serious then...

Please, just stop this, is just stupid atleast in my opinion. Why we have to bring the damn stupid concept of FFXI-2, had we lose our minds ? The reason why the Final Fantasy saga have existed for all this time is because of innovation, changing and making each game with care and attention. Don´t get me wrong, they have always pick things for the previous game, of course if something was good, take it and if possible, remake it or improved it.

I understand that the comparision and the suggestion about taking things of FFXI but, for the love of god, let FFXIV grown and become the great game it can be someday, please, I understand all of you loved FFXI as the way it was, but FFXIV isn´t and should never be FFXI-2. I mean, even FFX-2 and FFXIII-2 changes their battle mechanics and gameplay greatly, and now we are asking SE to go against all they did, all that make this saga and each of its game unique and rememberable ?.

I won´t denied, at launch this game sucks, right now its a mediocre FF game and MMORPG, but it is changing and there is still a long way ahead, there is potential, why kill it so soon ?.

What I mean is, is good to take some ideas from FFXI and even of all the olds FF, but FFXI-2 is just stupid and unfair, or atleast in my opinion.

Thanks for reading, sorry for the rant U_U and if I offended someone for any reason it wasn´t my intetion at all.

PS:

I refuse to vote, FFXIV have endless possibilities and just 2 options dosn´t cover it at all. And besides, is just too obvius the description of each game is made on porpuse to make FFXIV looks totally bad. Even if it is right or not, you should let two neutral options.

[Arcell]

It should also be noted that the poll is biased and an incredibly stupid idea because it's comparing the final finished form of FFXI in its prime to the still incomplete, in the middle of being rebuilt FFXIV. Try waiting for FFXIV's prime (well past 2.0) and then start comparing them.

Things aren't going to stay exactly as they are, however some things are in a mostly finished state so you're all going to just have to deal with it or find another game. It's funny how obnoxiously entitled a lot of people seem to be on here just because they asked for our opinion a few times and occasionally listen when something is quite broken (dye stats, PLD, claiming system). Despite that though the dev team tends to do what they want. Yoshida has a vision for the game and he's not going to let us destroy that lol.

Also yeah, you can't tell people to go back to FFXI because as we all know FFXI is long dead and stopped service a long time ago. Kind of like how they never made Episodes 1-3 of Star Wars or how the only iterations of Devil May Cry are 1, 3 and 4 or how there was no direct sequel to FFX.

This is EXACTLY why I made this poll. So when you say this I can tell you, "At least and a bit more then HALF of the players disagree with you. Stop including them in your broad strokes because some of us WANT exactly what you hate."

Actually your poll is incredibly flawed because a vast majority of players don't even come to the forum and let's not forget the large number that didn't vote because your poll is obnoxious and biased. All you've shown is that FFXI purists like voting in biased polls that treat FFXI as god's gift to MMOs.

[Zaaku]

It should also be noted that the poll is biased and an incredibly stupid idea because it's comparing the final finished form of FFXI in its prime to the still incomplete, in the middle of being rebuilt FFXIV. Try waiting for FFXIV's prime (well past 2.0) and then start comparing them.

Things aren't going to stay exactly as they are, however some things are in a mostly finished state so you're all going to just have to deal with it or find another game. It's funny how obnoxiously entitled a lot of people seem to be on here just because they asked for our opinion a few times and occasionally listen when something is quite broken (dye stats, PLD, claiming system). Despite that though the dev team tends to do what they want. Yoshida has a vision for the game and he's not going to let us destroy that lol.

Also yeah, you can't tell people to go back to FFXI because as we all know FFXI is long dead and stopped service a long time ago. Kind of like how they never made Episodes 1-3 of Star Wars or how the only iterations of Devil May Cry are 1, 3 and 4 or how there was no direct sequel to FFX.




Actually your poll is incredibly flawed because a vast majority of players don't even come to the forum and let's not forget the large number that didn't vote because your poll is obnoxious and biased. All you've shown is that FFXI purists like voting in biased polls that treat FFXI as god's gift to MMOs.

Within the first 10 words of this thread I stated this was of the forum goes only. As for stupid and bias, those are like your opinions man. I also already stated that I don't even have the fleeting notion that this thread will change the game in any way shape or form. I did not create it to change Yoshi's mind. I made it because I wanted to see how many people want Hardcore Vs. Casual renditions of FFXIV's future.

I never compared it to FFXI's finished content, more or less the general way they went around it. More difficult mobs is hardly Post-Zilart concepts.

Seriously Arcell people are going to think we're doing this all for show when we're at each others throat on every single topic and in the same LS.

[Arcell]

Within the first 10 words of this thread I stated this was of the forum goes only. As for stupid and bias, those are like your opinions man. I also already stated that I don't even have the fleeting notion that this thread will change the game in any way shape or form. I did not create it to change Yoshi's mind. I made it because I wanted to see how many people want Hardcore Vs. Casual renditions of FFXIV's future.

More importantly. These highlight examples aside. Do you want the Devs to create a game that will truly challenge the player base? That forces close bonds with friends and makes every day you play memorable? To stop creating in shortcuts for those unwilling to put in the effort?

You're outright asking, in your first post, if people want the devs to create something and to make the game different. What other reason would you have for creating such a poll if not to show "Well devs this is what people want, you should probably do it." ?

[Cendres]

OP just admitted the only reason he wrote this was to justify his own arguments >.> Let it just die.

[Zaaku]

OP just admitted the only reason he wrote this was to justify his own arguments >.> Let it just die.

Hell I admitted that in the very first post

The byproduct is also an insight to how players feel about what the future holds. There no reason to get upset and embargo the thread.