Player's Poll: FFXIV or FFXI-2?

[Eagleheart]

Further, there will be skilled, and unskilled players in every game that will ever exist. EXP is indeed a place to learn how to play the game, but it is by no means the only place to learn how to play the game.

XI is too deeply entrenched in the minds of many players for them to be able to see outside the box, and consider gameplay and systems that exist outside those thought up as they grew up in Vana'diel. It stifles original thinking and the embracing of new concepts. ( o.0) That is something that we must work hard to avoid in any walk of life.

Stick with the good, shun the bad, but think hard about why a thing is good or bad, be able to explain it not only to others, but also to yourself. Reflective thinking may leave a person surprised, after having thought a certain way for so long.

[Onidemon]

XI sucked bad. No company out there envied S-E for it, nobody tried to copy it and most gamers never heard of it, even less tried to go play it. Get the hint and move on already...

[Beorhtel_Fet]

XI sucked bad. No company out there envied S-E for it, nobody tried to copy it and most gamers never heard of it, even less tried to go play it. Get the hint and move on already...

This to me just sounds like it comes from somebody who holds a grudge against 11 because of whatever reason. 11 in its time was very successful just like Everquest was, it's just that it was in an era where MMO's hadn't hit the height of popularity yet. Whether a game sucks or not is not up to you it is all a matter of opinion. I just as easily can say that WoW sucks because they gave free levels for the refer a friend that people abused to get new characters up to level 60ish from the start and that would also be an opinion. Some people like different playstyles than yours. "Get the hint and move on already...." as you so adequately put it. Comments like these sound like they come from people who failed at said game and now as a result hold a grudge against it for whatever reason and should not be listened to. FFXI had some good things in it just like other MMO's too, it would be dumb of them to not impliment something good just because one random player from a random server didn't like the game it came from.

[Eagleheart]

I don't know what server you played on, but when I played on Fenrir server (Pre-Aby) you would have no problem getting help with any quests/missions/parties, etc. within about 15 minutes of shouting for assistance. May have been different for your server, but all I'm saying is that after Aby came out, people lost interest in helping each other, and more so competing to be the best solo player.

That's endemic to your server, then. On my server, there was a wealth of people post-Abyssea that were ever so eager to help out, and show off the awesome stuff they'd obtained, after years of it being locked up by whomever had the best bots.

As for the whole, not being afraid to travel the world solo in a game. Where's the fun in being able to walk wherever you want without there being consequences? Games these days are too forgiving. If you walk into an end game area alone in an MMO, you should immediately be expecting to get a beat down. Reason being, If you can go solo mobs alone, there's no one stopping you from farming end game drops and potentially selling them like hotcakes and other players alike, and do you know what that leads to? RMT's, Corrupt economy and inflation of currency, and for games that are starting out, that could destroy it/make it near impossible for new players to even start out. With no difficulty or fear of certain areas instilled in players, a game is practically boring.

I dare you to go wander into Ul'Gamaroh Mines and take on five or six of the 55+ mobs. Let me know how that goes.

Also, you're moving the goalposts.

If you truly believe that MMO's aren't meant for interaction and connectivity, then what's the purpose to be surrounded by strangers from all over the world rather than being surrounded by lifeless NPC's?

"Oh hey Summoner is 99 now, alright 5 more hours and I can have Theif to 99" instead of, "YES!!! Finally 99!, It may have took forever but THIS IS AWESOME!! I did it!!"

Wild, wild exaggeration, and you know it well.

I'm not sure about the rest of you, but to me excitement = fun. And if I have to work a bit harder to achieve said level of excitement, so be it.

Nothing in your post suggests anything about how your vision for the game involves working harder. The argument could easily be made that becoming skillful and powerful enough to handle certain monsters solo requires more hard work.

That post as a whole is meandering and self-contradictory, and also, full of straw men. (<.< ) *cough*

[Cichy]

Do you have to special order nostalgia goggles to read this thread?

[Eagleheart]

Do you have to special order nostalgia goggles to read this thread?

They are sold out, I've got a pair on back order. o.o

[Scherwiz]

It all makes sense now.

[Zaaku]

It all makes sense now.

Stop that.

I can take jibs at my logic and intentions but don't you EVER compare me to that Clamoto sucking twilight sparkle abomination of Nosferatu's legacy.

[Issachar]

EXP penalty for dying is a dated mechanic from an era long past in MMO-dom. Other than that, you have my vote.

[Jokerz]

Idk which I would pick atm, I'm with FFXIV mainly because it has potential to be better while FFXI is clearly on it's last legs. I would love if partying was more emphasized in this game, I completely hate the solo grind to 30, and parties I've been in so far have been "meh" as best. More challenge will be nice too, everything I've done so far has been pretty hollow, getting a chocobo was meh, getting my first af was meh, the world is "meh," taking part in my first dungeon raid was...."meh."

FFXIV has so much potential however...I would love if combat was more engaging. I wish mobs had actual intelligence and I wish they would get rid of the enmity bar, I feel it takes away from actually knowing your job and it's limits. Currently we fight groups of mobs that gang up one party member and we pick them off one by one, a glorified dynamis run. Wish mobs would actually work together, support each other, do things to throw our party off balance.

An alternate tiered method of obtaining gear would be cool as well. Dungeons with random percentages of obtaining gear get kinda boring.

But FFXIV is still early in it's life...