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    Patch 5.4 Delayed Openers and Raid Buff Alignment

    Hello there~

    With the new MNK changes, specifically Brotherhood changes, raid DPS has changed quite a bit. So, I took the time to update my Delayed Opener list, along with charts comparing the raid DPS between early openers and raid alignments with delayed ones. Unlike before, I've made all the comparison charts much easier to understand at a glance rather than the jumbled mess they were before.

    Overall, so long as everyone in the party uses them and no parts of major buffs are lost during an encounter, the delayed alignment results in higher raid DPS. My advice, however, is that you should really stick with what you're comfortable with. These are just meant for optimization and squeezing out a bit more DPS. Hope this helps!

    FF14 5.4 Delayed Openers and Raid Buff Alignments
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    Already found errors on your table on the very first one I opened. Seriously, read your tooltips.
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    Last edited by MrMagic; 12-10-2020 at 03:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMagic View Post
    Already found errors on your table on the very first one I opened. Seriously, read your tooltips.
    Which one was this?
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    i am looking at this and i see a whole lot of incorrect math
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jukebox12 View Post
    i am looking at this and i see a whole lot of incorrect math
    Ok. Could you point out what you see as incorrect?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxdarock View Post
    Ok. Could you point out what you see as incorrect?
    pretty much everything
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jukebox12 View Post
    pretty much everything
    That's an interesting way of saying "I don't know." ^^;
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxdarock View Post
    That's an interesting way of saying "I don't know." ^^;
    Wow. How do you not see it? It doesn't take long to run into several. Are you even using formulas on your tables? The funny thing is that every error found seems to be in favour of the early opener. The delayed opener seems to have such high potency due to maths error.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMagic View Post
    Wow. How do you not see it? It doesn't take long to run into several. Are you even using formulas on your tables? The funny thing is that every error found seems to be in favour of the early opener. The delayed opener seems to have such high potency due to maths error.
    I explain the rules on how I calculated everything in the bottom of the doc under "Info Regarding Table Calculations" and everything that's listed in those charts follows them. So just by saying that the math is wrong and not explaining why doesn't prove anything.
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    So, since I'm more familiar with NIN, I took a look at that section. Your comparison shows that your delayed opener does 200 potency less than the regular, and I lose a Bhava from the trick window. Also, the regular opener fits so neatly in boss fights cause party mechanics start right after it finishes. So, please tell me why I would ever use this delayed opener since it does less damage, and I'd have to risk being out of melee range of the boss in the last gcd of the trick window?

    Also, side note, you forgot the Brotherhood buff in the comparison sheet.

    Also, the base potency for Shadow Fang is wrong. 200 + 900 = 1100, not 1300. Since that one was the only one with the formula shown on the page, there could be more math errors behind the scenes, so please go double check your math.
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    Last edited by Realism_Snide; 12-17-2020 at 06:02 PM.

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