Request: I don't want to solo the main scenario

[Pandastirfry]

<insert everything I said in the post above this one>

Plus: There are... 4, 5 ,6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 10-2, 13, 13-4 that many final fantasy titles that don't require for you to play with other people and that let you get on and just do what you please on your own.

First of all, the main scenario isn't FFXIV. I'd say its the least important thing about FFXIV. You can do everything in this game without even touching it. Its just something else that's there.
You don't go around complaining you need to find people to do end game content. Why would you complain about the main scenario requiring the same? Why would you cheapen it in such way?
Second of all, this is a MMORPG. The main elements of this game SHOULD require PEOPLE to be beaten. They SHOULDN'T allow players to solo through things. What are other players in an MMORPG? Just more intelligent NPCs to occupy the background?

It seems to me the only issue people are bringing up is "its hard to find people to do the missions"; that's not a good reason for a MMORPG to half ass itself.
In any case I'd be asking: could they implement something to find people who to play with more easily?

Yes they can, content finder. Come 2.0.

ahhhh the old canard of "It's an MMO, you should HAVE to play with other people, if you want to solo play an offline game"

NO! I CAN play with other people, I don't HAVE to, nor should I be REQUIRED to.
Other people are there to accomplish their own goals, if they line up with yours, GREAT!, if they don't I shouldn't have to annoy them with my constant begging. Other players aren't in game for your benefit, they have their own things to do. Sometimes, I have no desire to group up, maybe I just want to chat with my LS and do other stuff, that other stuff should not be relegated to a handful of side quests with no bearing on the story, grinding leves, chopping trees, or grinding a craft, I should be able to actually accomplish something, even things that are important.
Not being able to find people for endgame content... you want to talk about optional, haveing 7/7 ifrit/garuda/moogle/gooblotz, whtever weapons, THAT'S optional.

And no the Main Story is FFXIV, it is what gives structure to the whole thing, What is Eorzea, why am I fighting, who are these imperial jokers...Why do I care at all that they're invading? answering those question is what makes it a RPG
the primal fights and dungeons slot nicely into the main story, they supplement it, the greater context however is to be found within the main story. You cut players off from that because they can't find a group for anything other than the next big NM fight or primal, then the game becomes a hollow shell full of instanced raids and disjointed combat (I thought you wanted this game to have a more FF feel)...Hell even WoW has an over arching main story if you take the time to read quest text.

and even with a content finder... if no is looking for that content anymore, then no one will be on the content finder, and there is the attendant problems with "challenging content" and pick up groups.


and fun fact....I have pretty much hated every Final Fantasy besides XI(with many caveates) and XIV...

[Majidah]

ahhhh the old canard of "It's an MMO, you should HAVE to play with other people, if you want to solo play an offline game"

NO! I CAN play with other people, I don't HAVE to, nor should I be REQUIRED to.
Other people are there to accomplish their own goals, if they line up with yours, GREAT!, if they don't I shouldn't have to annoy them with my constant begging. Other players aren't in game for your benefit, they have their own things to do. Sometimes, I have no desire to group up, maybe I just want to chat with my LS and do other stuff, that other stuff should not be relegated to a handful of side quests with no bearing on the story, grinding leves, chopping trees, or grinding a craft, I should be able to actually accomplish something, even things that are important.
Not being able to find people for endgame content... you want to talk about optional, haveing 7/7 ifrit/garuda/moogle/gooblotz, whtever weapons, THAT'S optional.

And no the Main Story is FFXIV, it is what gives structure to the whole thing, What is Eorzea, why am I fighting, who are these imperial jokers...Why do I care at all that they're invading? answering those question is what makes it a RPG
the primal fights and dungeons slot nicely into the main story, they supplement it, the greater context however is to be found within the main story. You cut players off from that because they can't find a group for anything other than the next big NM fight or primal, then the game becomes a hollow shell full of instanced raids and disjointed combat (I thought you wanted this game to have a more FF feel)...Hell even WoW has an over arching main story if you take the time to read quest text.

and even with a content finder... if no is looking for that content anymore, then no one will be on the content finder, and there is the attendant problems with "challenging content" and pick up groups.


and fun fact....I have pretty much hated every Final Fantasy besides XI(with many caveates) and XIV...

See? That's just a misconception.
People think that they are entitled to do group activities on their own with the same ease as they would be with 7 more people.

Sure, if you are level NINE THOUSAND.

But if you are just level 50, you are going to have a hard time. And you should. You aren't as strong as eight people.

If you don't want to fight the battles just look up the cut scenes on youtube.
Why would we sacrifice strategy and actual gameplay because you want to breeze through the game as if nothing mattered?

This isn't a book, its a game. A MMORPG for that matter. Game play shouldn't be the side dressing.
If you want to play on your own, you better be as strong as 8 people. Not ask for negligible content.

[Pandastirfry]

See? That's just a misconception.
People think that they are entitled to do group activities on their own with the same ease as they would be with 7 more people.

Sure, if you are level NINE THOUSAND.

But if you are just level 50, you are going to have a hard time. And you should. You aren't as strong as eight people.

If you don't want to fight the battles just look up the cut scenes on youtube.
Why would we sacrifice strategy and actual gameplay because you want to breeze through the game as if nothing mattered?

What is a misconception, that I think seeing a story shouldn't take 8 random yahoo's but killing a god should? Weird, I thought it was misconception to think getting the questions of why I should care about the fate of Eorzea should require 7 other people.

Not everything, not even every important thing needs to be group content. And saying "it's an MMORPG" is not a justification it is a crutch for lazy design and artificial challenge in the form or requiring the user to wait until the star align and they luck into other people with the exact same goals.

[Andrien]

I'm not a big fan of force grouping for main stories, but the content should be level appropriate. If I want to help others then nothing should stop me from that, but it really shouldn't be forced. Which is why I'm yet to finish WoTG.. smh

[Cendres]

No the main scenario should be accessible to all with parts of it requiring a party that does not lock out soloers, meaning they are not neccesary to advance through the scenario but containing some major benefits. Content for all please. Content for every season not just one. Groupers should not get all the cool stuff, while the rest of us get crafting and leveling.... I'm doing that again. And please add small group content too.

As I said the key is balance for all styles.

[Majidah]

No the main scenario should be accessible to all with parts of it requiring a party that does not lock out soloers, meaning they are not neccesary to advance through the scenario but containing some major benefits. Content for all please. Content for every season not just one. Groupers should not get all the cool stuff, while the rest of us get crafting and leveling.... I'm doing that again. And please add small group content too.

As I said the key is balance for all styles.

What is a misconception, that I think seeing a story shouldn't take 8 random yahoo's but killing a god should? Weird, I thought it was misconception to think getting the questions of why I should care about the fate of Eorzea should require 7 other people.

Lets picture this level 70 NM.
It drops the best item there is.

It takes at least 3 level 50 players.

You decide you want to solo it.

You need to level all your subs in order to have a fighting chance against it, and still struggle.
You don't just walk to it and beat it.

Solo players should work harder for their victories. You are the one choosing this path. You are offered an easier path and chose not to do it. Everything in life is going to require less effort if the work its divided among many people.

Its like you are throwing a fit because reality isn't magically subjugated to your feet and you aren't king of the world all of the sudden without working for it.

Of course its going to be a lot easier to take over with a swat team than with just one guy.

[Majidah]

Maybe they should make boss fights optional.
But you'd get a series of messages:

"Are you sure you want to skip this battle?" > Yes
"Really? You are a bit of a wuss, aren't you?" > Yes
"Want to go home crying to your mommy?" " > Yes

And then they force this cry baby title on you for like a month.

Then everyone wins, you get to skip out on battles and watch the cut scenes and we get to play the actual game instead of spamming one weapon skill and winning

[Pandastirfry]

What you just described is an NM fight, completely optional end game falderall at that. I don't care about that requiring a group, hell, that should require a group.

What you started out saying is that even basic story content should require groups. On this we emphatically disagree.

[Majidah]

What you just described is an NM fight, completely optional end game falderall at that. I don't care about that requiring a group, hell, that should require a group.

What you started out saying is that even basic story content should require groups. On this we emphatically disagree.

Yes, fighting any of the Legatus should require a party. That's exactly what I'm saying.

Or ya know, like a chocobo NPC, a companion NPC, a level 50 character with very good gear and with the best skills from all jobs. And even then you should die ten times.

Hell, why not? Give solo players achievements for clearing it alone.

[Alhanelem]

I don't give a rats behind if the quests are solo or not, as long as they aren't all sickeningly easy.