Request: I don't want to solo the main scenario

[Zaaku]

I could not disagree more....have you played other MMORPG before saying that ? I can play no problem and grind an RPG. Why would I not be able to do the same in a MMORPG ? The only difference is some teamwork, it does not need to be more painful than having all my teeth removed...your only using FFXI has your example and disregarding everything else out there. But the other game out there are the ones having player influx, while FFXI was dying from poor gaming mechanics.

FFXI is like 9 years old man. Of course it is dying. In its hay day it was one of the best contenders around. Had it not been for WoW and its out of control success I doubt we'd even been talking about this because FFXIV would have adopted the same difficulty it started out with in FFXI. It is only because every single old white guy who invests in gaming stocks sees the $$$ signs that they whip lash devs into being more like WoW. There are plenty of games out there. Most of them are following the same trend of casualization. Is it so much to ask that ONE doesn't?! Especially if that one is the sequel to a game that is used to torture political prisoners?

[Medved]

Feels to me like some of you guys, no offense, are brainwashing yourselves that why you lost so much time and achieve so little in term of gears, goals in FFXI was because it was meant this way and was OK and should be consedired and achievement and a fulfilling experience: I SURVIDED FFXI !

Sorry, that was because the game had so much flawed game mechanics problem that it relayed to the second plan the nice background,stories and ideas of FFXI, and replaced it with having to fight against the game itself to achieve something and took it away from the main goal: make it a game you can log in constantly and enjoy new content and share it with others, that you cannot do alone on your game system offline.

Never was it question of being a TIME 2 gil sucking whore AND worst than being beaten up with your keyboard on the head everytime you log in to call it a MMORPG...

[Duelle]

Feels to me like some of you guys, no offense, are brainwashing yourselves that why you lost so much time and achieve so little in term of gear, goals in FFXI was because it was meant this way and was OK and should be consedired and achievement and a fulfilling experience: I SURVIDED FFXI !

The official term is rationalization. I used to have a friend who kept telling me how XI's classes were perfectly balanced. I'm starting to think it was a way to rationalize the way his favorite job (summoner) was treated throughout the game's history. I can think of a couple of more offensive comparisons, but that one is enough, IMO.

Is it so much to ask that ONE doesn't?! Especially if that one is the sequel to a game that is used to torture political prisoners?

I'd say it is. Not to antagonize you, but for the same reason I say it is impossible for an Elder Scrolls MMORPG or Fallout MMORPG to be made in this day and age. The current market does not have room for a sandbox MMO because it isn't a safe investment and it's a niche market.

Likewise, old EQ/korean MMO timesinks don't have much of a place now. Action games, RPGs, shooters, hell even exercise and dancing games have taken that turn. MMOs is for the most part just following the trend. And again, had it not been WoW, it would have been another game.

[Dragon]

I give up.....ever herd about real life ? Thats where the hardships are.....those are video GAMESwhy want a feeling of accomplisment in those...i want to have fun. Goddammit, finishing COP never gave me a raise or standing in the society...running around SEA never got me laid....AND IT NEVER will, its just a game.

I am sorry, I just don't get the point at all...

/cheers

And you never will, so why does every MMORPG have to cater to you? Can you just NOT leave one single MMORPG alone? Go play SWTOR, Tera, or whatever the latest WoW clone is and just leave FFXIV alone. Damnit.

[Medved]

And you never will, so why does every MMORPG have to cater to you? Can you just NOT leave one single MMORPG alone? Go play SWTOR, Tera, or whatever the latest WoW clone is and just leave FFXIV alone. Damnit.

**for others that actually debate, please skip this post**


nice mature response..., were having a discussion here, pros and cons. I played im sure more FFXI than you, but yes LIKE SOME OTHERS we are just saying and asking why going back to FFXI, like when you said it FFXI exist... why force FFXIV to be a clone.

I guess it is for people like you still butthurt that FFXI there little second life is dead and evil SE is not giving you a new life called FFXI-2 or aka FFXIV...


i edited your post, i think it is more proper like this:

"Can you just NOT leave one single MMORPG alone? Go playFFXI or whateverpre-Abyssea and just leave FFXIV alone. Damnit. "

go cry me a river or something dude

[Dragon]

**for others that actually debate, please skip this post**


nice mature response..., were having a discussion here, pros and cons. I played im sure more FFXI than you, but yes LIKE SOME OTHERS we are just saying and asking why going back to FFXI, like when you said it FFXI exist... why force FFXIV to be a clone.

I guess it is for people like you still butthurt that FFXI there little second life is dead and evil SE is not giving you a new life called FFXI-2 or aka FFXIV...


i edited your post, i think it is more proper like this:

"Can you just NOT leave one single MMORPG alone? Go playFFXI or whateverpre-Abyssea and just leave FFXIV alone. Damnit. "

go cry me a river or something dude

My response was quite mature, thank you.

But thanks for proving all you want is everyone to cater your self-righteous wants.

[Theplatter]

You know what this belly aching is actually beginning to piss me off. When I came to FFXI when I finally hit cap on my first job and struggled through all my missions and attained my goals through diligence and due effort I felt amazing after each victory but there was something that stood in my way.

CoP

My linkshell had a group going through and they were already a good two weeks ahead of me. Said they could get me in the next round but I didn't want that. So you know what I did? I shouted. I didn't /shout CoP [Can I have it?] {Please invite}

I looked up my fights. I did my research. I bought my overpriced 1 time use items. I put together the party. I preped them and then I tanked my way through CoP. (Which I later did on PUP which is wayyyy more fun)

It took me 3 weeks to go through that stubborn bastard and I did 90% of the work myself. So don't even START with this 'poor me it is too hard to find PT's to do stuff with'. Deal with it. Better yet actually deal with it. Instead of waiting around endlessly in town go out and BUILD your PT and GET it DONE. If you think getting invited to a PT for an event and completing it is good. Just wait until you LEAD it. It is like find a $20 bill in your back pocket a hundred times in a row. FFXIV will never be as hard as CoP which saddens me a great deal. That also means that any content we'll have in the future will be a fraction of the difficulty of going through CoP and I crawed my way to victory on that. You can too.


So any hardships you're having getting a PT together for a single fight that you never have to do again. You don't have my sympathies. Time and time again I have found that it is lack of assertiveness rather then lack of available PT's that leads to you not completing your goals. Take the challenge head on and defeat that which stands in your way. Be it a monster or your own nervousness of starting a shout for something you need. This is a MULTI player game. Find other players and USE them.

Hit the nail on the head right thar.

[Medved]

I know the plot has been put on hold but I believe this needs to reach Yoshi's ears now.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm playing a MMORPG. I don't want to be able to solo the main scenario. I want to have to put a party together, to really struggle to get it cleared. To buy potions and items and have to use them at the precise moment of the battle.

To enter capped areas and have to deal with having close to no abilities.

I don't want just the avatars to be difficult. I want every single main scenario mission to be like that. I want to have to climb this huge 20 floors tower with my group having to avoid the enemies because otherwise we're all dead.

I want to reach that one elevator on the top that goes down to the bottom making coming back much easier after you cleared it.

I want enemies that change forms and attack modes through the battle.

I want to have to desginate this one guy to kite one of the bosses around while we kill the other one.

I want to suffer through promyvions. Through airship battles. I want the challenge.

No, the companion NPC isn't a fellow player. I want to play with actual people. Coordinate a real strategy. Celebrate a real win. Not something you just clear by default.

I understand the main scenario and the NPC companion were designed in a manner so that anyone can clear it without the help of anyone, including DoL and DoH. I'm against this. I feel that if you choose to play the butcher from the butcher shop you shouldn't expect to be able to defeat the Legatus of the Garlean empire that can fight on his own the entire circle of knowing.

Again, that makes me cry and cut myself like the FFXI DRK I am....

Why the hell do you feel the need to SUFFER to achieve something in a video game, because it is a MMORPG ?

Common, people need to stop saying because it is a FF game... I played all FF and the fun part is doing the main game easily with enough scaling so you avoid too much grind, AND THEN if you want optional quest or stuff you can scale up. Why would I want a whole game again forced around force grouping and grinding, that was called FFXI, had his Pros and Cons, this is FFXIV.

Casual need to be the foremost word for a MMORPG to survive in the long run, and I guess many people complaining just never played a MMO other than FFXI...

I want to have fun playing the game, levling doing new content and playing with other people.Like I said in another thread, there is Demon Soul or Dark Soul out there if you want to grind a game after some stupid toad destroyed your gear and some other dude logs in your game and kills you, and we can all sit and cry in silence around the campfire when we respawn...

[Darkvalkyr]

having to avoid the enemies because otherwise we're all dead.

Dear God, I love everything in your post except this.

I don't want to sneak/invis my way up. So far the pace of battle has been fast enough that it feels like traversing dungeons is like going through dungeons in FFXII - fast, smooth and if you're prepared, it's a cakewalk. You kill stuff, you get exp/gil/drops and you progress to the top at a decent rate.