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    On auracite

    Lahabrea implied the Allagans never fully understood the Heart of Sabik. That leads me to think it was something that predated Allag and a template they tried to replicate with these "trigger weapons". Though it's still confusing as to how Ultima the High Seraph fits into all this, and the auracite induced disaster that befell the Thirteenth World.

    Hopefully the new Pandaemonium raid in 6.x will explore the Heart of Sabik's origins.
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    One thing that was also not really touched on in the Ivalice raids was a plot point from Tactics...

    At one of the mid-late points in the story after Ramza has seen what the zodiac stones/auracite do to people one of the named characters, Rafa/Rapha, watches her brother Malak/Marach die at the ends of one of the minor villains. Long story short after one of the more... difficult battles in the game that is a save trap for newbies that I fell into once... she's basically mourning her brother's death when the auracite begins to react. Rapha doesn't ask anything of the auracite, simply thanking the stone for mourning for Marach as well, then the auracite, seemingly of its own accord, resurrects Marach. In the dialogue after these events between the characters Ramza theorizes that the auracite, while certainly capable of manifesting demons like the lucavi, isn't necessarily evil on its own. Rather it can snare and amplify a person's more negative desires and manifest them as a lucavi demon, something we do see in the Ivalice raids. While a genuinely good hearted person wouldn't cause such a reaction and in this instance cause a 'miracle' like resurrecting Marach to occur.

    Granted I don't see any sort of resurrections having a snowballs chance in hell of happening in the Bozja story but Mikoto could fit the bill for being a genuinely good person at any rate so if what I theorized about early about her using Save the Queen in some form is what happens it could lead to some genuine good being done with Save the Queen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zohar_Lahar View Post
    On auracite

    Lahabrea implied the Allagans never fully understood the Heart of Sabik. That leads me to think it was something that predated Allag and a template they tried to replicate with these "trigger weapons". Though it's still confusing as to how Ultima the High Seraph fits into all this, and the auracite induced disaster that befell the Thirteenth World.

    Hopefully the new Pandaemonium raid in 6.x will explore the Heart of Sabik's origins.
    Keep in mind this is just me spitballing:

    I think Ultima may have touched down during the vaguely defined post-Sundering period before the First Umbral Era. Back when the Source and Reflections numbered fourteen. The Heart of Sabik, which contains the spell sharing her namesake, may in turn have been the result of the Ascians seizing any auracite they could get their hands on from her and... doing stuff with it. Likewsie, the auracite they took from her could well be the same auracite the heroes of the Thirteenth used to seal away primals, as their source would undoubtedly have been the Ascians.


    6.0 stuff:
    As an aside to the above, with the 6.0 artwork for Hydaelyn and Zodiark being shown, I can't help but notice it has some similarities to Ultima's appearance during the second phase of her fight. Namely, that her top half is an ostensibly angelic figure while her lower half is demonstrably demonic in appearance. Now, the Doyle in me says this is a mixed reference to her Tactics incarnation (where she sheds the angel appearance in her second phase to become some kind of undead monstrosity) and her Tactics Advance/XII incarnation (wherein she is riding some kind of brass/gold satellite). But it's still a very unique look for her, and I can't help but think that was an intentional call forward to the dynamic between Hydaelyn and Zodiark as depicted in that 6.0 artwork.

    But I also find that to be hard to believe, considering how utterly divorced Ultima is from the Hydaelyn/Zodiark conflict. Still, food for thought.
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    In Japanese, though they refer to it directly as, "Black Auracite: Sabik?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyrerus View Post
    In Japanese, though they refer to it directly as, "Black Auracite: Sabik?"
    It's offhandedly confirmed to be a piece of auracite in the Sorrow of Werlyt story. Strange place to put such an important-seeming detail, and oddly low-key to boot; but yes, the Heart of Sabik is (was?) just a piece of auracite.

    Raises the question of why Allag barely comprehended what it was and what it could do, given a random Sharlayan scholar Student of Baldesion has intimate knowledge of how they function, but... eh, chalk it up to retcons.

    As for the IVth Legion Saga... the story's not to my taste and the gameplay (of Bozja at least) isn't my speed, so not interested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
    It's offhandedly confirmed to be a piece of auracite in the Sorrow of Werlyt story. Strange place to put such an important-seeming detail, and oddly low-key to boot; but yes, the Heart of Sabik is (was?) just a piece of auracite.

    Raises the question of why Allag barely comprehended what it was and what it could do, given a random Sharlayan scholar Student of Baldesion has intimate knowledge of how they function, but... eh, chalk it up to retcons.
    Yeah, I've always wondered what made the Heart Of Sabik so special that the Allagans apparently could not figure out all that it could do, when the Allagans made the Crystal Tower (as in, the auracite-replacement that helped defeat Elidibus in 5.3).
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    So, on that subject.

    Ultima weapon was old tech, partly solved by allagans, and then used and tinkered with by the Empire.

    The towers, they look like a merger of Allagan and Empire tech. Could they be something else that was started by the Allagans, and then finished by the Empire?

    Given that the Ascians have been involved since the start, could these multi empire projects really be Ascian projects?
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    Seeing how both the Allagan and Garlean empires were created by Ascians, I think that can be seen as a given.
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    When I first saw the towers, I more readily associated them with Mhachi designs then anything else, and the presence of distinctly Mhachi architecture in Endwalker further makes me think they're a combination of their arcane know-how and Garlean magitek.

    Considering the drastic transformation the Garlean royal palace seems to undergo by 6.0, it wouldn't surprise me if Fandaniel is able to just magick the things into existence somehow despite his presumably limited power as a sundered Ascian.
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    About Gabranth, it seems like we will deal with him (and with his lieutenants if not defeated before) in next expansion in a secondary content (as Ivalice raid & Bozja).
    The hint is Bwagi saying Gabranth is already heading for Dalmasca because he doesn't care anymore about Bozja, but he keep us a last surprise with the big ship.
    Indeed, Gabranth has cut all of his relationship with Garlemald, and doesn't care about this city/region either. Dalmasca is his new ideal home, or this is what he wants.
    If 6.0 is big enough, we could deal with him in the main story, but I have doubts. It doesn't go well with the main plot and no Dalmasca region was confirmed in the 1st showcase.
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