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    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
    Personally...

    I'm just expecting her sister Kagura to show up and save her at this point.

    I feel like they mentioned her in way too much detail to not be getting herself involved in things sooner then later, not to mention it's most likely Sharlayan's isolationist/non-interference policies she didn't agree with; only she chose to oppose them aggressively instead of just quietly accepting it and making do with the restrictions like the Scions and others have.

    Mikoto was mentioned as only recently stepping out to try to make a difference in the world, which I could see being a reason for her to try to bridge the gap that existed between them.
    I agree though what roll she may play I'm not sure...

    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    So uhh, about the bangaa, I found out this from Bwagi. I'm...not sure what to make of that knowledge. Hiding it because I personally feel it's cursed knowledge, and also because I don't want to take up too much space.

    There is a reason they always hated being called 'lizards' in all the games they appeared in~
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    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronald_Bloodwings View Post
    There is a reason they always hated being called 'lizards' in all the games they appeared in~
    I'm just angry they decided to drop that bit of lore here, 14 years after FF12 first came out. Because I don't recall seeing it said anywhere in FF12 that they were mammals.
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    I mean, I'm not that surprised. Bangaa in FFXII could be pretty hairy, with Vaan and Penelo's father figure/caretaker looking more like Falkor than a reptile.
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    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch View Post
    I mean, I'm not that surprised. Bangaa in FFXII could be pretty hairy, with Vaan and Penelo's father figure/caretaker looking more like Falkor than a reptile.
    This is actually the only game they're considered mammals, they're actually reptiles in FFTA, FFTA2, and FF12. Or at least I THINK they were.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch View Post
    I mean, I'm not that surprised. Bangaa in FFXII could be pretty hairy, with Vaan and Penelo's father figure/caretaker looking more like Falkor than a reptile.
    It could go either way, really, according to what they want to do with it - there's justification for scaly-looking mammals (armadillos and pangolins) and there's justification for hairy-looking reptiles via feathers being modified scales.
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    I don't recall it being said before either but it feels like the kind of thing that was probably in development notes back during devtime of Tactics Advance and 12.

    At the least, Migelo did have facial hair.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch View Post
    So, my fourth run of DR concluded with me getting the dossier for the final boss of the instance, which I've transcribed here.


    Save the Queen

    A trigger weapon forged by the fallen Allagan Empire, Save the Queen was born from painstaking study of eikons and a desire to simplify and streamline the process by which they were summoned. Such devices—of which this holy blade stands as a prime example—serve as the catalyst by which an eikon may be called forth.

    As for how this legendary sword did come to ancient Bozja, none can say. In light of Bozja's military weakness, it is inconceivable that they could have seized or stolen it themselves, and there is little reason to believe that Allag favored the Bozjans so much to have presented it as a gift. A more likely possibility is that an Allagan apostate who no longer looked kindly on the empire defected to Bozja and gifted his new countrymen the artifact of his own accord.

    In any event, the fact remains that the holy blade of Bozja, that which could be wielded only by the hand of Queen Gunnhildr, was a trigger weapon—a relic of Allagan ingenuity.

    In the days of ancient Ivalice, the crystal known as auracite was worshipped as a reliquary. Come to this world from the heavens on the wings of Ultima, the High Seraph, it houses power beyond mortal comprehension—a power that resonates within the desires of man, giving them concrete form. It was in their quest to artificially improve upon this natural phenomenon that the Allagans did create such a fearsome weapon, which forges the wielder's deepest desires into a trigger for calling forth an eikon. Having succeeded in the summoning, the Allagans then sought a means by which to bend said eikon to their will, and—after much trial and error—came to the conclusion that this could only be accomplished by one possessing the power of the Echo. The discovery was a testament to the terrifyingly boundless knowledge of the Allagans.

    In time, Misija—having heard tell of the blade and the tragedy of Bozja's final queen—sought to manifest its primal power with herself as conduit. Yet summoning along would not suffice—she required a means by which to retain control over her body and will throughout the process. For this ,she would need the power of the Echo. So, with knowledge gained through the Empire's vast information network, she located a Sharlayan scholar by the name of Mikoto, known to possess the gift. Having succeeded in kidnapping her quarry, Misija employed techniques developed by Lord Aulus mal Asina at the Resonatorium to reproduce Mikoto's powers within herself, thus becoming Resonant.

    Misija then sought to use the residual aether left in the blade by its former wielder—the woman born as Nevembya Votyasch—and her memories to conjure the shade of Queen Gunnhildr. Which these reserves were sufficient to temper the Resistance warriors who stood before her, however, they were woefully insufficient to accomplish her ultimate goal of becoming an eikon. When she learned that a fount of abundant aether such as she required could be found in the ruins of the ancient Bozjan palace Delubrum Reginae, her path was clear. There, with the power of the great crystal housed in its innermost chambers, Misija at long last made the holy blade's true power her own.

    So it was that the queen stood before the Warrior of Light, with years of bitterness in her heart, that she might see Gabranth's vision made real by her own hand...
    So since the Allagans had access to auracite would this place Ajora's time period as pre-Allag, or did him calling Ultima to destroy Mullonde occur later?
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    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeanneOrnitier View Post
    So since the Allagans had access to auracite would this place Ajora's time period as pre-Allag, or did him calling Ultima to destroy Mullonde occur later?
    Personally,
    I'm guessing pre-Allag. Looking at the descriptions of the various Umbral and Astral Eras, Ultima's summoning may very well be during or possibly even predate the 2nd Astral Era, as it's mentioned that's when the churches were in full power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeanneOrnitier View Post
    So since the Allagans had access to auracite would this place Ajora's time period as pre-Allag, or did him calling Ultima to destroy Mullonde occur later?
    Not necessarily.

    Could have been concurrent with earlier Allag. Allag reigned for at least several centuries and was predominantly magical in their early reign before they started focusing more on tech as told in the SMN storyline.
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    Yeah that probably makes the most sense.

    In regards to the sword's origin,
    Headcanon/theory until I'm proven wrong that the Heart of Sabik was another Allagan auracite experimental weapon. That ties both into the Ultima spell/Ultima seraph connection as well as the Werlyt Weapons based on Ultima Weapon using synthetic auracite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeanneOrnitier View Post
    Yeah that probably makes the most sense.

    In regards to the sword's origin,
    Headcanon/theory until I'm proven wrong that the Heart of Sabik was another Allagan auracite experimental weapon. That ties both into the Ultima spell/Ultima seraph connection as well as the Werlyt Weapons based on Ultima Weapon using synthetic auracite.
    Well, as far as the Heart of Sabik, goes, we have dialogue that explicitly marks it as being pre-Allag. Dialogue that many players see again and again and again and again, thanks to the unskippable cutscenes in The Praetorium:
    Quote Originally Posted by Lahabrea
    The Heart of Sabik. It is the weapon's core - an enigma whose surface even the vaunted scholars of ancient Allag failed to scratch.
    So, no, the Allagans did not create the Heart of Sabik, from auracite or anything else. They found it, and their scholars barely understood it, but they learned enough about it to use it as a component when creating the Ultima Weapon (probably as a power source).

    It might have an auracite connection, but if it does, it was not the Allagans' doing. If word straight from the mouth of someone who'd lived though the era isn't enough, then I'm not sure what kind of proof you require! I suppose Lahabrea could have lied, but given the circumstances it's tough to see a motive for doing so.
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