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    I'm going to be painfully honest in saying that I have not been terribly impressed by any of the quests Matsuno did the writing for so far.

    His stories were the ones I was the least invested in for their respective expansions, and even though Bozja has much less blatant fanservice from FFs he was involved in, it still feels very lacking somehow.
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    Last edited by KageTokage; 02-03-2021 at 10:30 PM.

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    I'm just gonna do it enough times to get the tanking set and then stop. Don't care for the others or dying it.
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    I believe that the development team are on record stating that FFXIV is in itself very heavily inspired by Matsuno's work - so it makes sense to me that he would be held in high regard. I think it all fits into the game world rather smoothly and it's nice to see antagonists written in such a way as to outplay the 'heroes'. He's also fleshed out Garlemald and Othard considerably in a way that makes sense.

    I have a good feeling that we may very well see the Ivalice storyline continue into 6.0 since it's already carrying over from Stormblood.
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    I'm enjoying the Bozja stuff so far, at least. It's touching on quite a bit of interesting lore, and I enjoy Misija as a character. I'm also keen to see more on Gabranth. I certainly like the writing better than what we got in Eden.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch View Post
    I took it as a roundabout way of saying that Gunnhildr's behavior doesn't fit the mold that most primals are known to follow. She makes no independent effort to sustain herself, and has to rely on a very specific source of power. Consequently, she dissipates upon expending her aether. Even her tempered thralls don't seem to sustain her in any capacity, though that doesn't stop her from warping their minds and bodies to her whims. Save the Queen having the same properties as auracite also draws comparisons to the Lucavi from the Return to Ivalice raids, particularly Ramza's companions.

    It would be interesting to compare and contrast her with other "exceptional" primals. Ones that break the mold in some fashion.
    It also underscores the importance of not relying too much on existing knowledge about primals when it comes to Hydaelyn and Zodiark. The primals we see summoned by the Beast tribes (and not only) may well be the result of more primitive rituals, and so on. Based on the exposition we got from Mikoto on auracite, from the earlier Ivalice raids, it does sound like something the ancients may have conceived of as a battery for Zodiark (and later his usurper.)

    It's better to treat their primal aspect as a starting rather than an end point.
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    Prophecy, much like time-travel, is one of those writing no-nos that's very hard to use correctly. An infallible prophecy (which is what Mikoto's gift is) will try to be averted only for it to happen anyway by trying to avert it.

    What's USUALLY done there is what's been shown from Mikoto's gift. She gets flashes from the future with no context whatsoever. While yes, we could have found out that
    Misija was going to The Last Trace in another way, this sets up that Mikoto only sees a small part of the future.


    From a story-telling perspective, it's reminding the audience that while the future that she sees can't be changed, there's a lot besides those flashes that's up in the air. In-story, it's probably a set-up for
    "Mikoto realizes that since her Misija vision had more to it, X, Y, Z is going to happen and so she leaps off the airship herself, because she will be caught by someone-thing/turn into a Primal-Auracite-creature to save Bozja"


    I like the Bozja story so far, and I like the treatment of Misija's character, while painting her as wrong for her vindictive outlook and her treason (which her updated field guide has her claim she never betrayed anyone because she was never on their side), still puts her in a more sympathetic light. After all, the Hroth we see her temper outright called her lowborn scum; she doesn't believe that the Bozjas' ideas of equality will translate in practice, and it'll just reinstate the government that screwed her family over. Given how diverse the IVth legion is, she may have good reasons (good in like, good FOR HER, not, overall).
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    It was rather easy to guess what was going to happen before/after the first two visions, so hopefully the context behind the most recent one ends up being a bit more surprising instead of taking the obvious route because it's thus far just felt like fluff to me and had little bearing on the flow of the story that couldn't have easily been accomplished otherwise.

    On a different subject though, I find it rather strange how...glossed over the whole matter with
    the IVth legion having access to the Resonant technology was.

    I was expecting at least a passing mention in optional dialogue, but nope. Considering it's literally the first time it's come up since SB, I find it strange that it wasn't considered a bigger concern.

    I am a touch curious as to what their endgame actually is now considering that despite all the effort they put into allowing Misija to enact her little scheme, it was ultimately just a diversion.
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    On Bozja:

    I was pleasantly surprised by the fate of the Tempered soldiers. As soon as the MSQ touched on the subject of a cure for the condition I immediately groaned because I figured it'd be used as a convenient way to lessen the threat of Misija in Bozja. My worries were, however, unfounded which made the story much more engaging to me overall.


    As for the pacing of the story, I don't mind a slow burn so long as the next portion is not exceptionally rushed. It's partly why I'm tentatively assuming that it'll continue into the next expansion in some form. It'd be quite fun to see more of Rabanastre and the surrounding nations.
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    I think what puts me off Bozja is, honestly, the story and not the grinding.

    I can do a good grind when I want to but having found out the fates of the other Blades just... makes me not want to continue. The other Blades weren't flawless but they get reprimanded for their treatment of Misija. Them getting tempered was a nice way to raise the stakes and make the way Save the Queen was presented as the focal point of controlling them an out to at least getting them back and dealing with the consequences of them being tempered later. Then the MSQ certainly raised the prospect of saving them entirely but this turn of events in the latest addition just felt so incredibly wrong to me, tempering them to the point where they no longer resemble themselves and fusing them into aberrations just... Misija may not be repentant in the broad sense for what she did but what she had to endure doesn't justify such... just wrong things to do to someone... The lore pages for the Blades and the things they turn into just really hits me hard, it's tragic in so many ways.

    I know this is a war we're fighting and the old saying of 'war is hell' certainly rings true here with this story but we're the WoL! We're supposed to save people and yes we can't save everyone from everything but we, with the latest addition to Bozja, saved absolutely no one. I hope in some way this gets better because I honestly don't want to keep subjecting myself to such a depressing story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronald_Bloodwings View Post
    I think what puts me off Bozja is, honestly, the story and not the grinding.

    I can do a good grind when I want to but having found out the fates of the other Blades just... makes me not want to continue. The other Blades weren't flawless but they get reprimanded for their treatment of Misija. Them getting tempered was a nice way to raise the stakes and make the way Save the Queen was presented as the focal point of controlling them an out to at least getting them back and dealing with the consequences of them being tempered later. Then the MSQ certainly raised the prospect of saving them entirely but this turn of events in the latest addition just felt so incredibly wrong to me, tempering them to the point where they no longer resemble themselves and fusing them into aberrations just... Misija may not be repentant in the broad sense for what she did but what she had to endure doesn't justify such... just wrong things to do to someone... The lore pages for the Blades and the things they turn into just really hits me hard, it's tragic in so many ways.

    I know this is a war we're fighting and the old saying of 'war is hell' certainly rings true here with this story but we're the WoL! We're supposed to save people and yes we can't save everyone from everything but we, with the latest addition to Bozja, saved absolutely no one. I hope in some way this gets better because I honestly don't want to keep subjecting myself to such a depressing story.
    Welcome to Matsuno's rollercoaster of emotional writing. The man tends to write realistic type deals where not everybody gets a happy ending, not everybody can be saved, where things are often out of your control ingame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    Welcome to Matsuno's rollercoaster of emotional writing. The man tends to write realistic type deals where not everybody gets a happy ending, not everybody can be saved, where things are often out of your control ingame.
    I can get behind that but it feels like no one is getting a happy ending right at this moment... The WoL is going to need a lot of therapy... to say nothing of Mikoto...
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