Thread: Revelations from Patch 5.4

Originally Posted by Rannie

NEIR quest

OMG is Konogg one also, its hinting at it but omg

About that, I'm going to assume that

YES HE IS. If so, I'm betting they're Adam and Eve from Nier Automata.

Back at Crystarium after Eden,

If you talk to Cylva she has an option to talk about it and is surprised to hear about Mitron and Loghrif, then says she wants to meet Gaia. I hope we see that meeting if we ever follow up on Unukalhai's new group, which I feel like we will.

Originally Posted by Rufalus

I'm trying to get over how contrived and rushed the story always is to fit the patch structure. The scion kids routinely come up with historic breakthroughs in science based on mere moments of pondering, and all wild theories immediately produce the desired outcomes neatly. The full-time scholars of the world must really suck compared to our gang. Cid and the Ironworks are the equivalent paragons of the technology side of things, able to reverse engineer and build anything that's needed in a heartbeat.

Putting aside how convenient and immersion-breaking it is, I did quite enjoy certain parts of this patch. The depraved antagonist in the werlyt trial series made me care about kicking his ass some day. The ryne and gaia friendship in the raid series is pretty nice too. I liked both of those more than the MSQ this time. I actually like Zenos as an antagonist but he sure is patient, spending most patches sitting in a chair waiting for us to get around to fighting him.

The WOL aside, all the scions are scholars. This is why they all studied in Sharlayan. Is it convenient for the plot? Yes. Does it also make sense within the context of the story? Yes.

So call it a short cut. Hate it all you want. But with the context of world building, it is well within the character's capabilities.

Originally Posted by Cilia

I have a few things to say here.

Fordola is not let off the hook, she's conscripted into an elite Immortal Flames unit specializing in primal hunting and works alongside Arenvald. She's outfitted with an explosive collar that can be used if she tries any funny business.

As for Valens... amoral scientist driven by envy to surpass his superior, who sees other people only as things to be used in his schemes and discarded when they're of no further value to him? Extremely unsettling presence, tends to be a mood swinger? He's a Hojo.

In response to that last part:

This is why I called him Hojo mixed with Umbridge in my post. He will experiment on anything with no qualms. He just like Umbridge in Harry Potter also enjoys dealing out pain in disturbing ways. Her with forcing students to write out long apologies while using a quill that etched things into their hand while doing so. Him with glowing hot metal. They both in a way want to "Burn out the bad".

Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

About that, I'm going to assume that

YES HE IS. If so, I'm betting they're Adam and Eve from Nier Automata.

I didn't take that the same way

I took the chief saying he was the one to first find them after that rock collapse had happened. Not that they had never been seen ever since then. Though who knows you two could be right. What we only really know is that original Annog died.

Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

Telophoroi= Telos (Supreme end), Phoroi (Plural of beacon/lighthouse). Lighthouses can be poetic for things that usher or *bring* about something (a beacon of hope). So while it literally means "End Beacons", I think it translated better to Endbringers. Furthermore, Shadow has connotations with Endings/Finality/Death, therefore it might be a stretch, but Shadowbringers is also potentially valid as a translation. This could be our faction-with-the-same-name-as-expansion-title thing we got, like with Thordan's Heavens' Ward.

Perhaps they are Beacons of the end, towers certainly look like it.

I finally finished last quests of the patch and... where is Lahabrea? Or was he there and I forgot? My memory is worse than Gaia's these days...

Originally Posted by Erendis

I finally finished last quests of the patch and... where is Lahabrea? Or was he there and I forgot? My memory is worse than Gaia's these days...

I'd say he might have been a bait and switch, and that they were trying to hide Mitron's involvement in this patch. But they actually put Mitron in the trailer, and the 5.4 artwork intentionally obscures Lahabrea's face. It took a particular cropped version of it where the obscuring effect hadn't been applied to notice him.

I can't imagine he'll come up in Bozja, the Blue Mage questline, or the final phase of the Ishgard Restoration. So maybe they just used the wrong Ascian by mistake for that artwork. Or maybe there'll be unexpected additional MSQ content in 5.45. Seems unlikely to me, but not impossible.