Developers : Healer design mentality needs to change

[Dyvid]

It still amazes me that Healers doesn't have abilities to help that party stay alive. Look at some common raid mechanics. Why not give healer a ability to reduce knockback or increase movement speed? Stuff like this would help reduce death which, if you think about it, is the role of a Healer.

[Allegor]

It still amazes me that Healers doesn't have abilities to help that party stay alive. Look at some common raid mechanics. Why not give healer a ability to reduce knockback or increase movement speed? Stuff like this would help reduce death which, if you think about it, is the role of a Healer.

I know right? if only there was a healer that specialized in support abilities that helped others in different ways, like strengthening their defenses, increase haste, or boost their resource regeneration....O H W A I T-!

(yes, I'll beat this dead chocobo until it turns to dust)

[Dogempire]

It still amazes me that Healers doesn't have abilities to help that party stay alive. Look at some common raid mechanics. Why not give healer a ability to reduce knockback or increase movement speed? Stuff like this would help reduce death which, if you think about it, is the role of a Healer.

I'd rather they gave something like that to ranged jobs considering they're also suffering from having their support utility removed but still have the lowest damage

[EtherRose]

It still amazes me that Healers doesn't have abilities to help that party stay alive. Look at some common raid mechanics. Why not give healer a ability to reduce knockback or increase movement speed? Stuff like this would help reduce death which, if you think about it, is the role of a Healer.

I can't take you seriously as i hope this comment is sarcastic. "Don't have abilities that help keep the party alive". What? I guess healers don't heal anymore in general. All healers have esuna and rescue. White Mage has Temperance. Scholar has Adloquium, Succor, Fey Illumination and Sacred Soil. Astrologian has Card Buffs, Aspected Benefic, Aspected Helios, Divination, etc. The skills listed above are DMG Reduction, DMG Buffs**(Astro), shields and you guessed it, healing. Which keep the party.... alive.

Reduced Knockback and increased movement speed? Each job has an immunity skill for knockback and we all have sprint.

[Vickii]

And this mindset is why we're in this endless cycle of things becoming dumber and dumber.

Healers are bad because they're either new or can't be bothered to improve --> oh no we need to make them more accessible --> Healers become "more accessible", easier to play and significantly more boring --> people are still bad --> repeat
There will always be people who can not be bothered to put even the absolute minimum effort into playing their job at an acceptable level, you could give them a healer with 3 buttons titled "Heal, Group Heal and Damage" and they would still die, not heal and do 0 dps.


At some point you need to stop making things "more accessible" for them because it will never change.

Nope, sorry but I disagree.

I have been running normal dungeons and the healer is wiping to mechanics. Over the past few days healers have ruined several otherwise would clear runs.

How does ‘give them more buttons to press’ help? It’s just going to make them even worse.

[Allegor]

Nope, sorry but I disagree.

I have been running normal dungeons and the healer is wiping to mechanics. Over the past few days healers have ruined several otherwise would clear runs.

How does ‘give them more buttons to press’ help? It’s just going to make them even worse.

It may not, and that's the point - to weed out the bad. If you can't bother improving to a bare minimum, you're doing yourself - and others - a favor by just...not playing the role. That's not to say that every subpar healer should up and quit, there's a big difference between someone that's genuinely struggling yet trying to improve, and someone that just doesn't want to - the former will eventually get there, the latter will not.

[Vickii]

It may not, and that's the point - to weed out the bad. If you can't bother improving to a bare minimum, you're doing yourself - and others - a favor by just...not playing the role. That's not to say that every subpar healer should up and quit, there's a big difference between someone that's genuinely struggling yet trying to improve, and someone that just doesn't want to - the former will eventually get there, the latter will not.

So you want people to play a role up to 80 and then suddenly surprise surprise there’s a whole new much more complicated system?

I don’t think that would be that popular. I’m all for changes to healers, things to differentiate them, but in terms of making healing harder, I’m only down for that if there’s far more support healing in game.

I’ve been in a group where a dancer saved us another where a paladin healedmy MCH and often the red mage ressing the healers. If they made us all more self sufficient then they can do what they like with healer role.

[GrimGale]

So you want people to play a role up to 80 and then suddenly surprise surprise there’s a whole new much more complicated system?

I don’t think that would be that popular. I’m all for changes to healers, things to differentiate them, but in terms of making healing harder, I’m only down for that if there’s far more support healing in game.

I’ve been in a group where a dancer saved us another where a paladin healedmy MCH and often the red mage ressing the healers. If they made us all more self sufficient then they can do what they like with healer role.

I've been in a group where Dps all died to mechanics, healers raised everbody and saved the run.

What exactly is your point?
Healers bad therefore Healer job should be for babies? Healbot one-button spam?

Tanks and Dps mess up too, should we just dumb down everybodies rotation so that they can focus on doing the dance?

Why should veteran healers see their classes dumbed down due to other players occasionally encountering inexperienced ones?

[ItMe]

To be honest, I think I'm seeing more "bad" healers anymore BECAUSE of how accessible they have become. The ones who decided to pick up the role and tough it out prior to Shadowbringers were usually the healers I'd want in my party, because they were largely forced to learn to get much of anywhere, because mediocre play really didn't get them very far. Far enough I suppose, but they were quickly sorted in Extreme, Savage and up. Now? Anyone with even just half a brain cell can pick up a healer and heal, but that doesn't make them better if they keep eating mechanics they shouldn't be. There has always been bad players in any job of every role, that much is true. But I think some of that comes down to how easy it is to pick up a job and go on a dime.

I wonder how different things would be if you could only enjoy gear progression and raise your ilvl by playing the job you're gearing up.
Tomes let you gear anything, and the coffer system they use in Savage now is very friendly but just exacerbated this.

If it were harder to gear up your side jobs I wonder how many sub-par part time healers (guilty) would disappear (not that I think this would necessarily be a good thing).

[Vahlnir]

I wonder how different things would be if you could only enjoy gear progression and raise your ilvl by playing the job you're gearing up.
Tomes let you gear anything, and the coffer system they use in Savage now is very friendly but just exacerbated this.

If it were harder to gear up your side jobs I wonder how many sub-par part time healers (guilty) would disappear (not that I think this would necessarily be a good thing).

It's hard to say, really. Personally, I don't see gearing being part of the problem. It doesn't matter what job someone is gearing up. They could have the best gear in the world and still be...well, sub par. This isn't a healer only issue. It can happen with any job in any role. I think the healer changes made with Shadowbringers are responsible for what we are seeing now. It just took some time to manifest, and even longer to show itself semi regularly as some long time healers have abandoned the role while new healers take their place. Maybe eventually things will even back out. Time will tell. I think addressing what healers have been complaining about since Shadowbringers launch would go a long way. Sadly, any big changes will likely be made only at the start of the next expansion, provided any changes are made at all. It's just going to be a bit of a bumpy ride until then for everyone.