Bard "buff"

[Beddict]

While we can only speculate why it's specifically "Bard", there is a strong preference for Bard in world race teams. Maybe the ranged player just loves bard that much, who knows.

TpS was on Mogtalk two weeks ago and that was actually a question that came up. IIRC, BRD was chosen over DNC just because it's the easier of the two Jobs. Less procs on BRD made it easier to pay attention to the fight unlike DNC where you've got GCD procs, Feathers, Feather procs, and Esprit and Flourish. BRD's Song rotation is also easier to deal with unlike DNC where you gotta keep that Technical Step moving or it drifts horribly. I am pretty sure those were the main two reasons, but I can't verify since the podcast is almost four hours long and I have no idea where the timestamp is. Still, they do actually answer that question for why BRD over DNC.

[Cetonis]

TpS was on Mogtalk two weeks ago and that was actually a question that came up. IIRC, BRD was chosen over DNC just because it's the easier of the two Jobs. Less procs on BRD made it easier to pay attention to the fight unlike DNC where you've got GCD procs, Feathers, Feather procs, and Esprit and Flourish. BRD's Song rotation is also easier to deal with unlike DNC where you gotta keep that Technical Step moving or it drifts horribly. I am pretty sure those were the main two reasons, but I can't verify since the podcast is almost four hours long and I have no idea where the timestamp is. Still, they do actually answer that question for why BRD over DNC.

That's.... baffling. Dancer procs are extremely forgiving and low-pressure, giving you ample time to use them, whereas many Bard procs must be used within 3 seconds (or less) or else. Bard probably also gets more procs, numerically, over the course of a fight, and has DoTs to upkeep.

This sounds like the person just wanted to play Bard, and fed the team some nonsense explanation because none of them knew any better.

The comment about Technical Step is more true, and gets at the general reason not to bring a Dancer to prog. Dancer requires a very well-optimized group to outperform the other ranged, with bursts tightly planned and aligned, a partner who is on point and not going to die, etc. and that simply isn't what a first clear looks like. Dancer is good to have for Curing Waltz, but you do so knowing full well you're taking a hit on damage output.

Bard vs. Machinist is a little more of a guessing game, because with a strong-dps group Bard should win by a little while bringing some help via Minne, while Machinist is better at contributing damage to sloppy runs but lacks upside if you're at a point of needing a little plus-RNG to clear.

[Jukebox12]

That's.... baffling. Dancer procs are extremely forgiving and low-pressure, giving you ample time to use them, whereas many Bard procs must be used within 3 seconds (or less) or else. Bard probably also gets more procs, numerically, over the course of a fight, and has DoTs to upkeep.

This sounds like the person just wanted to play Bard, and fed the team some nonsense explanation because none of them knew any better.

The comment about Technical Step is more true, and gets at the general reason not to bring a Dancer to prog. Dancer requires a very well-optimized group to outperform the other ranged, with bursts tightly planned and aligned, a partner who is on point and not going to die, etc. and that simply isn't what a first clear looks like. Dancer is good to have for Curing Waltz, but you do so knowing full well you're taking a hit on damage output.

Bard vs. Machinist is a little more of a guessing game, because with a strong-dps group Bard should win by a little while bringing some help via Minne, while Machinist is better at contributing damage to sloppy runs but lacks upside if you're at a point of needing a little plus-RNG to clear.

the world race is a bit tighter. Overall bard is easy it's the little things that could cost you the first clear

[Cetonis]

the world race is a bit tighter. Overall bard is easy it's the little things that could cost you the first clear

"Little" things like dropping your DoTs three times and not optimizing your song cycle at all, forfeiting an entire Raging and Barrage for no reason? Because that's what happened, and they cleared with a dps death anyway. 99% chance the ranged player would have played Dancer way better than they played Bard on that particular pull. It's just that the payoff for doing so wouldn't have been there.

TpS is well known for being not-great at damage optimization, and it's actually silly to take what WF racers say about job balance seriously. It just doesn't matter enough for them to get punished for being wrong. Which is a good thing.

Sylink brought Bard because they unironically thought fflogs was bugged, on the basis of their healers dealing more damage with a Bard in their party, based on a sample size of three pulls each. Where the healers pressed more damage GCDs on the pulls where they dealt more damage.

[Jukebox12]

"Little" things like dropping your DoTs three times and not optimizing your song cycle at all, forfeiting an entire Raging and Barrage for no reason? Because that's what happened, and they cleared with a dps death anyway. 99% chance the ranged player would have played Dancer way better than they played Bard on that particular pull. It's just that the payoff for doing so wouldn't have been there.

TpS is well known for being not-great at damage optimization, and it's actually silly to take what WF racers say about job balance seriously. It just doesn't matter enough for them to get punished for being wrong. Which is a good thing.

Sylink brought Bard because they unironically thought fflogs was bugged, on the basis of their healers dealing more damage with a Bard in their party, based on a sample size of three pulls each. Where the healers pressed more damage GCDs on the pulls where they dealt more damage.

not what I meant by little things. by little things by not having nature minnue and again it's easier to maximize your songs and your DoTs compare to maximizing Dancer. also brd has higher damage

[Cetonis]

not what I meant by little things. by little things by not having nature minnue and again it's easier to maximize your songs and your DoTs compare to maximizing Dancer. also brd has higher damage

Well, yes, because maximizing Dancer is a group effort to make the most of its 2 minute burst. It's not because handling Dancer's procs is hard. Handling Dancer's procs is trivial.

[Kabooa]

TpS is well known for being not-great at damage optimization, and it's actually silly to take what WF racers say about job balance seriously.

Who should we take seriously?

If not the people for whom job balance literally makes or breaks their objective, then who?

The Speedrunners? Speedrunners don't actually care about job balance, they care about getting the fastest possible kill time, which has very little to do with balancing. The only case they overlap is when they want to speedrun, get the best potential runtime, and do it on any job they feel like playing at the time.

The...average joe? I can tell you people don't take me seriously on the matter.

The week 1 clearers? If we're not taking World Race views seriously, why should we take the Not-As-Dedicated-As-World-First people seriously?

World First race teams that use unexpected picks say volumes about the state of Job Balance without having to say anything, but it's also usually what we don't want to hear.

[Jukebox12]

brd is the most easy physical range dps to play having good utility for world first prog

[Cetonis]

Who should we take seriously?

If not the people for whom job balance literally makes or breaks their objective, then who?

The Speedrunners? Speedrunners don't actually care about job balance, they care about getting the fastest possible kill time, which has very little to do with balancing. The only case they overlap is when they want to speedrun, get the best potential runtime, and do it on any job they feel like playing at the time.

The...average joe? I can tell you people don't take me seriously on the matter.

The week 1 clearers? If we're not taking World Race views seriously, why should we take the Not-As-Dedicated-As-World-First people seriously?

World First race teams that use unexpected picks say volumes about the state of Job Balance without having to say anything, but it's also usually what we don't want to hear.

You shouldn't take clearly ridiculous explanations seriously, even if the person saying it has (insert clout here). You don't need to listen to anybody to tell you what's common sense.

And job balance does not make or break world first kills. Nothing is tuned hard enough to make that the case. Mechanical identification, execution, and the creation of strats does. Stuff like getting your sleep schedule in place, knowing how to eat, etc. does. Having a good team dynamic with just the right number of cooks in the kitchen does. Job balance is just about the last thing that's relevant.

Asserting that Dancer is harder to get strong damage out of, compared to Bard, is fine. That's true, I agree with that generally and it's obvious if you've watched each tier play out over time.

Saying it's because Dancer's procs demand more attention than Bard's is laughable. I can only assume their Bard wasn't on the show, or maybe just didn't feel like saying it was personal comfort, or something was lost in translation when posted here.

[Brandedblade]

You shouldn't take clearly ridiculous explanations seriously, even if the person saying it has (insert clout here). You don't need to listen to anybody to tell you what's common sense.

And job balance does not make or break world first kills. Nothing is tuned hard enough to make that the case. Mechanical identification, execution, and the creation of strats does. Stuff like getting your sleep schedule in place, knowing how to eat, etc. does. Having a good team dynamic with just the right number of cooks in the kitchen does. Job balance is just about the last thing that's relevant.

Asserting that Dancer is harder to get strong damage out of, compared to Bard, is fine. That's true, I agree with that generally and it's obvious if you've watched each tier play out over time.

Saying it's because Dancer's procs demand more attention than Bard's is laughable. I can only assume their Bard wasn't on the show, or maybe just didn't feel like saying it was personal comfort, or something was lost in translation when posted here.

Why does it come off as you trying to find any reason to be upset that they used a bard? Whether or not a proc is easier to manage is a matter of opinion and preference anyway.