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    Please enhance instead of delete

    Would it be possible if instead of deleting things, Square-Enix could enhance them?

    I will provide a list of things that have been deleted, and possible alternative solutions instead of their deletion.

    Here are a list of things simply deleted/discontinued.

    Most recent:

    Greased Lightning.
    Main Story Quests. (A Realm Reborn)

    Others:

    TP (Battle points for Melee classes)
    Point Allotment.
    Cross Class actions.
    Battle leves. (4.0+)
    Unique Job Traits.
    Old class/job actions.

    There are others, but this thread isnt meant to touch on every single topic, but to bring up awareness, and try to possibly bring passion and creativity back into the development team.


    Greased Lightning.

    This is probably the most difficult, as everyone will want something different.

    This proposed idea is not meant to be a "perfect example" or be an "actual suggestion" as to "how to fix monk" but to be as a representative how the team could approach monk to keep everything while making it more fun and engaging, than simply "deleting greased lightning" and making monk "more simple."

    Jobs should be engaging and fun, unique and interesting. Not everything has to be so easy for a beginner, from the start of the game to the end of the game. I would think by time a player reaches the end of the game, the player has an understanding of more complex things, and should be challenged. A good game, has these elements, and has a good balance. Simply making everything basic, and trivial are not the workings of a world renowned RPG.




    But Monk has a few key elements.
    Fists of Earth/Wind/Fire,
    Greased Lightning,
    Forms, Opo-opo, Raptor, Coeurl.

    My suggestion overall here, again is meant only to be a representation, not a "suggestion." The aim here, is to keep every action, make them all more purposeful, and give monk more "off global actions."

    The way these work currently is Fists are mostly useless, Greased Lightning is being deleted so I assume the complaints here are "its hard to maintain" and the forms are being changed so I assume this is "boring."

    My enhancing solution instead of deletion is to tie them together.

    Create the action:
    Elemental Fists.
    Gained at level 15 (Instead of/in conjunction with fists of earth.)
    Cooldown 20 or 30 seconds.

    Elemental Fists changes element based upon your current form.

    Opo-Opo = Earth
    Raptor = Fire
    Coeurl = Wind

    This action combines the Fists of Fire/Wind/Earth actions into a single action, and can be executed only based on your current form. Each form grants a different "buff."

    Now for Greased Lightning.

    Monk will function similarly here, as to how it would without greased lightning. Its base damage and speed will be enhanced by traits, but instead of deleting greased lightning, it is worked into Elemental fists, and form shift.

    Upon gaining greased lightning stacks the player gains access to greater Elemental Fists buffs.

    Stacks of Greased Lightning 1, 2, and 3 respectively.

    Elemental Fists:
    Earth
    GL1
    -Reduces damage taken by 5% for 10 seconds.
    GL2
    -Reduces damage taken by 10% for 10 seconds.
    GL3
    -Reduces damage taken by 15% for 10 seconds. Resets Mantra Recast timer.

    Wind
    GL1
    -Reduces Action recast time by the normal amount GL1 would.
    GL2
    -Same as above, but for GL2
    GL3
    -Same as above, but for GL3, Resets Tornado Kick recast timer.

    Fire
    GL1
    -Increases damage dealt by 5% for 10 seconds.
    GL2
    -Increases damage dealt by 10% for 10 seconds
    GL3
    -Increases damage dealt by 15% for 10 seconds. Resets Riddle of Fire recast timer.

    Form Shift would now instead reset the recast timer of Elemental Fists and would have a longer cooldown in accordance with balance.



    Main Story quests:

    Instead of deleting quests, Square-Enix could have made them worth while, or created cutscenes to supplement the quests, cutscenes would have been a much greater choice here.

    On top of this, Square-Enix could have utilized their "Normal, Easy, Very Easy" options to quest battles, and added a "Hard" version, that players could change the setting to at the start of the game, or add a setting to the menu. This would have been perfect for New Game+

    I even venture to say they could even add a Hard, and Very Hard option.

    TP (For melee battle classes)

    Instead of outright deleting TP, Square-Enix could have made the system better. Instead of needing TP to execute actions, TP could have started at 0 again, and the more TP a player had, the faster a certain actions recast timer would reset, or the greater damage a specified action could deal.

    I would then venture to say all classes and jobs could benefit from this mechanic, and would make battle much more engaging, and thoughtful.


    Point Allotment:

    Instead of simply deleting point allotments. Points could be attributed to subsidiary numbers, such as criticial hit, skill speed, determination. This way players could have greater choice in reaching a very specific skill speed number with a certain gear set build. Or other creative combinations.

    They also could have other subsidiary traits returned, such as parry, block rates, evasion, that could be utilized for progression or other creative reasons.

    Cross Class actions:

    Instead of simply deleting cross class actions, this system could be specific to classes (not job) and low level combat would be much less boring.

    They could even venture to go further and add an action for low level combat.

    "Tactical Attack"
    Would be a level 1 or level 2 off global action with a short recast timer and possibly charges. This would teach the player early on about utilizing their "off globals" between their "global attacks" as well as enhance low level combat.

    Battle Leves:

    Instead of simply discontinuing battle leves, and then creating synced side quests, they could have combined these two ideas, and given players greater and additional options to leveling multiple classes. I'm sorry but it is not fun, running the same dungeon over and over, for multiple classes. Its good to sometimes break up the repetition.

    Also, I think I calculated one time, that to gain one level, a player would need to complete like 150 side quests just to level up? Maybe cut back on the amount of side quests, and create more worthwhile and engaging ones? Certainly this cant be too difficult to achieve. No one is going to want to do 150 quests just to gain one level, especially if those quests have no other impact except to mostly gain exp, or learn about the local plant life.

    Unique Job Traits:

    Instead of simply discontinuing unique job traits after level 50, such as Mug for Rouge/Ninja, and Ninja's movement speeds, this idea I feel should be taken, and run with. Make all jobs have unique traits such as these, and as you level, enhance their function. Rouge/Ninja, should have a 80-90% success rate with Mug at level 80. Thats my opinion anyway.

    Old Class/Job actions:

    Instead of deleting actions, and effectively "killing" jobs for certain people, even so much that the player is likely even to quit, (which I in fact have seen happen numerous times now) Combine actions.

    Have actions work in unison, such as instead of deleting shadow flare from SCH, add it to Sacred Soil. Utilize the "enhancing" traits more such as Inner Beast > Fell Cleave, or Jump > High Jump.

    There are many many things Square-Enix could do, if a little more thought and passion for FFXIV was put into choices. I understand "just delete it" is an easy and simple response, but I feel this waters down the experience, and drives players away.

    I think I can honestly say, more players have quit FFXIV because content feels meaningless, and choices are unimpactful more than players looking at how many quests they have to do to complete the main story.

    If the quests felt more worthwhile and battle, and choices, felt impactful, I feel there would be fewer complaints.
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    Again, I would like to point out.

    I am just a lowly video game player, who "knows nothing about video game development" and I created these representations of ways to approach solutions on the fly with very little thought.

    So if I can "come up" with ideas such as to add "Hard mode" and "Very Hard mode" and add these options to the menu, in a matter of seconds with very little thought, I can only imagine what the development team, who are experienced experts, could come up with, if they had as much of a burning passion for FFXIV as I do.

    Hopefully this instills creativity, and passion, as that is the aim here. Not to say "oh my ideas are perfect, please use them."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniolaut View Post
    I am just a lowly video game player, who "knows nothing about video game development" and I created these representations of ways to approach solutions on the fly with very little thought.

    So if I can "come up" with ideas such as to add "Hard mode" and "Very Hard mode" and add these options to the menu, in a matter of seconds with very little thought, I can only imagine what the development team, who are experienced experts, could come up with, if they had as much of a burning passion for FFXIV as I do.
    "I know nothing about what's actually involved in game dev, but I honestly believe my completely uneducated opinion on the difficulties of adding this things I threw at the wall with no ability to look at the underlying source code has any validity."
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    Quote Originally Posted by SnowVix View Post
    "I know nothing about what's actually involved in game dev, but I honestly believe my completely uneducated opinion on the difficulties of adding this things I threw at the wall with no ability to look at the underlying source code has any validity."
    Actually let me respond to this properly.

    Your logic. Is really really bad. Like really bad. Horrible in fact.

    How?

    1. I purposefully said that "I dont know anything" because I knew this would be the argument.

    2. Do you take your car to a mechanic to change a flat tire?

    I am an individual whom is very well rounded. I dont need to know how to melt metals, run automotive machinery, or the air compression ratio's of a combustion engine to even do more involved work on a motor vehicle beyond changing a flat tire. Such as replacing a starter, alternator, fuses, or even changing and trouble shooting relays. Simply understanding a car, and doing more than driving it and putting gas into it, you will gain a basic understanding of the vehicles functions.

    This applies to every thing in life. Computer problems, health issues, financing, everything within someone immediate control, and yes even video games. In fact, I almost never rely on any form of service person. I do all my mechanical work, home repairs, health improvements. I literally had chronic back pain, and within less than 1 year without seeing a doctor or getting medical advice, I was able to address the issue.

    I have played other games. I have played version 1.0. I know exactly what Square-Enix is capable of doing and what they arent capable of doing. In fact, I've even been impressed at times. To say "Square-Enix cant do that" just because they havent done it, doesnt mean they cant. Especially, and I stress, especially if its already been done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SnowVix View Post
    "I know nothing about what's actually involved in game dev, but I honestly believe my completely uneducated opinion on the difficulties of adding this things I threw at the wall with no ability to look at the underlying source code has any validity."
    So that means that almost no one here is allowed to voice opinion on this forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cetek14 View Post
    So that means that almost no one here is allowed to voice opinion on this forum.
    no, people can voice opinions until they say absurd crap like "i, who have never coded in my life, am saying that this coding issue is easy that the devs are lazy for not doing it", which is what op said. opinions are fine. pulling things out of where the sun doesn't shine isn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniolaut View Post
    That’s literally what I just said.

    Why did you repeat it with no additional information except to be insulting?

    Oh. Wait. FFXIV forums. That’s what get people likes.

    As for “not knowing about coding” the coding is already there. I almost never suggest something that isn’t, or wasn’t already in the game.

    Nice try.
    Let me pull up your post again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daniolaut View Post
    Again, I would like to point out.

    I am just a lowly video game player, who "knows nothing about video game development" and I created these representations of ways to approach solutions on the fly with very little thought.

    So if I can "come up" with ideas such as to add "Hard mode" and "Very Hard mode" and add these options to the menu, in a matter of seconds with very little thought, I can only imagine what the development team, who are experienced experts, could come up with, if they had as much of a burning passion for FFXIV as I do.

    Hopefully this instills creativity, and passion, as that is the aim here. Not to say "oh my ideas are perfect, please use them."
    Particularly this section: "So if I can "come up" with ideas such as to add "Hard mode" and "Very Hard mode" and add these options to the menu, in a matter of seconds with very little thought, I can only imagine what the development team, who are experienced experts, could come up with, if they had as much of a burning passion for FFXIV as I do."

    I'm not sure if you know this, but gloating you don't know anything about a subject and then going "so if it's easy for me it should be easy for them" as a conclusion, it just doubly shows you don't know what you're talking about and that we shouldn't take you seriously in the slightest. Sarcastically writing down "come up" and then claiming you love the game while implying the devs don't share that same passion, well... I'll let you think about whether or not it makes you look good in the slightest.

    Was the other guy's post insulting? Yeah, I'll not deny that, but it's more or less putting into words what we're all thinking.
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    These are solid suggestions thanks for the input! I prefer them integrating removed properties into other abilities, i haven't been enjoying the constant dumbing down of jobs. some jobs lost their identities completely already.
    I am familiar with the challenges of implementing these things but the amount of skill juggling they've done could of been compressed in a more efficient way at least for some changes felt like they were to trapped in their own heads to see the big picture. Hoping the next expansion focuses more on improving instead of taking away.

    Quote Originally Posted by SnowVix View Post
    no, people can voice opinions until they say absurd crap like "i, who have never coded in my life, am saying that this coding issue is easy that the devs are lazy for not doing it", which is what op said. opinions are fine. pulling things out of where the sun doesn't shine isn't.

    Idk where this started in this thread but lets agree to stop all ad hominem here.
    some of the replies seem to coming to gas-light level content, lets be mature here and move on.
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    Thread recap

    I am just going to recap this thread, based on how others post and how I see it.


    Daniolaut:
    I dont like when things are deleted.

    I strongly believe in Square-Enix, and have an understanding of what they are capable of.

    I wish to see them more passionate about making the game better in every aspect.

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    Others:
    I like it when things are deleted. Delete Monk

    The dev's arent capable of many things, you shouldnt assume they can accomplish things.

    You cannot discuss video games if you're not a video game developer, its literally like Brain Surgery. You absolutely must be certified.

    You're a bad man, you shouldnt be allowed to talk on the forums troll troll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniolaut View Post
    I am just going to recap this thread, based on how others post and how I see it.
    what did I say about being humble?
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