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    Requiring Castrum Litore completion for the next Bozja area is a bad decision.

    Next to no one is currently running it and you are going to have many players essentially gated out of the next stage due to this requirement.

    There have been numerous ideas on how to make this better but the problem is still having to find at minimum 24 people who want to do the content and right now that's simply not happening.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    Next to no one is currently running it and you are going to have many players essentially gated out of the next stage due to this requirement.

    There have been numerous ideas on how to make this better but the problem is still having to find at minimum 24 people who want to do the content and right now that's simply not happening.
    As the next content gets closer I guarantee you that place will fill to the brim. Patience.
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    People are now going to start running it so they can get to the next step. Because you're going to have to do it to not only continue the story, but also get the next relic weapon step. I won't be surprised if said step requires runs of both Castrums in order to keep them alive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    People are now going to start running it so they can get to the next step. Because you're going to have to do it to not only continue the story, but also get the next relic weapon step. I won't be surprised if said step requires runs of both Castrums in order to keep them alive.
    So they did completely ignore one of the biggest complaints about Eureka? Do they not realize this is still forcing people to do it, just like they forced people to do Eureka? They really need to let these types of zones stand on their own and not try to artificially prop them up by tying something like relic/resistance weapons to these zones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    So they did completely ignore one of the biggest complaints about Eureka? Do they not realize this is still forcing people to do it, just like they forced people to do Eureka? They really need to let these types of zones stand on their own and not try to artificially prop them up by tying something like relic/resistance weapons to these zones.
    No one was forced to do Eureka. You don't need a relic weapon. I could turn around and say prior to Eureka we were all forced to do the same old dungeons and in world fates ad nauseum in addition to a slew of other types of retread content. People clamor for something new and they get it and then there is a crowd who is going to yell they are forced to do it and how could they put relic weapons in content they designed for relic weapons.

    And relative to Castrum completion, I sincerely doubt that SE devs would provide a way to do relic outside of Borza for the first zone then turn around and for the next one require people go back and complete the area at least through Castrum. Seems to me that there will be another outside of Borza relic alternative.

    I might add the grind to R10 isn't that hard and Castrum clears will be spinning fine again after the expected hotpatch with 5.4.
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    Last edited by LaylaTsarra; 11-29-2020 at 06:42 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    So they did completely ignore one of the biggest complaints about Eureka? Do they not realize this is still forcing people to do it, just like they forced people to do Eureka? They really need to let these types of zones stand on their own and not try to artificially prop them up by tying something like relic/resistance weapons to these zones.
    Except the biggest complaint about the Eureka weapons is that you could only ever grind in Eureka to progress on the weapons. You always had to go through the same steps of obtaining enough crystals + the items from the high level NM in each of the zone (later put on a vendor to be bought with crystals). You couldn't just knock out a few FATEs while you were waiting on something else (DF queue, PF group to fill up etc.).

    In other words, you had to always set time apart for it, even if you were working on your 2nd, 3rd, 4th weapon. Meanwhile, completing the story of a zone is a one-and-done deal. You do it once, and then you can choose to never enter it again when you want to work on a Resistance weapon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nezerius View Post
    Except the biggest complaint about the Eureka weapons is that you could only ever grind in Eureka to progress on the weapons. You always had to go through the same steps of obtaining enough crystals + the items from the high level NM in each of the zone (later put on a vendor to be bought with crystals). You couldn't just knock out a few FATEs while you were waiting on something else (DF queue, PF group to fill up etc.).

    In other words, you had to always set time apart for it, even if you were working on your 2nd, 3rd, 4th weapon. Meanwhile, completing the story of a zone is a one-and-done deal. You do it once, and then you can choose to never enter it again when you want to work on a Resistance weapon.
    Problem is that it still requires 23 other people to beat it at minimum. That's 1/3 of an instance. And once the next step comes out, Bozja Southern is going to largely be a graveyard.

    Eureka was able to skirt this by not making the previous have a mandatory fight. It would be like saying in order to get into Pagos you had to kill Pazuzu, or to get into Hydatos you had to kill Penny in Pyros.

    Or to get even closer, to get into Pagos you had to kill a scaled down version of Baldesion Arsenal.

    The main issue is they're putting this convoluted mandatory step early in the process.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    Problem is that it still requires 23 other people to beat it at minimum. That's 1/3 of an instance. And once the next step comes out, Bozja Southern is going to largely be a graveyard.

    Eureka was able to skirt this by not making the previous have a mandatory fight. It would be like saying in order to get into Pagos you had to kill Pazuzu, or to get into Hydatos you had to kill Penny in Pyros.

    Or to get even closer, to get into Pagos you had to kill a scaled down version of Baldesion Arsenal.

    The main issue is they're putting this convoluted mandatory step early in the process.
    I think it's intended story-wise for those who are doing Bozja's storyline. I actually enjoyed it, believe it or not - and given how what's-their-name did X and Y in Z with A, it makes sense, but isn't the best approach.

    What they wanted was for people to be able to get memories outside of Bozja so that they could get the relic up to Recollection. Also, remember how Bozja turned into a graveyard after people found out it's 100% Rate in HW? I think this is a means to make sure there's a sort of "challenge" added to the relic rather than make it be so simple to do given it's 60 FATEs and 6 Antitowers. There's been feedback, and it's being listened to by those who have been doing Bozja, hopefully. If it's worth anything they hopefully have listened to our feedback regarding Duels...because that's been a bigger issue than whining about the Savage Version of a 48-man raid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    Problem is that it still requires 23 other people to beat it at minimum.
    You can beat CLL with less people than 24 (I've cleared in a premade group of 16 + 3-4 pugs that joined when it popped in the early days of Bozja release), if everyone's on point and don't die to every aoe, essence's up and uses lost actions to supercharge everyone's damage output. You may not be saving every prisoner, but that's not mandatory to clear. I wouldn't be surprised if you could do it with 16 people, 24 is hardly the minimum. You only need 8 for Lyon + some remainder to handle the mobs in the main battle arena.

    Also, while the superboss of each zone wasn't mandatory to progress the story of the zones and reach the next one, they were mandatory for the relic progression, much akin to how CLL will technically be gate-keeping the next part of the relic. And just like how they made it so that people could still complete the relic due to the Eureka zone bosses being impossible/nigh impossible to solo or low man, I have no doubts they'll do something to CLL to make sure it can be low-manned to future proof it. Just off the top of my head, they have these insanely powerful NPCs running around called the Blades, they could fit them into CLL and give them absurd stats to mow down the bosses if the game detects the player count is underneath a certain threshold. Not to mention possible 100% echo. No doubt they have something in mind with the literal terabytes to petabytes worth of metrics data they likely have showing Castrum on a decline.

    Finally, I doubt Bozja will fully die out anyway, since CLL is currently the only source for the deep essence & bloodsucker/beast/whatever the healer one is essences, along with dropping Forgotten fragments that are extremely annoying to farm from star or rank V mobs. Which if the 48 man savage version is hard enough that it mandates those essences & actions for everyone, means CLL farming will become mandatory for anyone not willing to sink hundreds of thousands to millions of gil into forgotten fragments on the mb (seriously, I saw Forgotten fragments of Transcendence up to 10k/pop on some servers which gives you a 1/3rd chance of getting the essence you need) to get a good stock of the essences they need, especially if the savage version has as much replayability as BA did.
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    Last edited by Daeriion_Aeradiir; 11-30-2020 at 03:37 PM.

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    Cheer the community will have to come together to get things done. OMG, what an idea.
    Glad I got it done when it was new content. Also, expect a nerf to it once the new zones hits.
    There is discord who plan daily runs reach out to one and join up.
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    Commendations.
    If I play dps I only give it out to other dps.
    If I play tank I only give it out to healers.
    If I play healer I only give it out to tank.

    Only if they should be getting a commendation.
    There are always exceptions to the rules!

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