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  1. #11
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    Kaurhz's Avatar
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    Asuka Kirai
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    About as fast as a BLU run, and SE seems ok with allowing those.

    All damage is throttled by weapon damage which when synced is low.
    BLU is also prohibited from roulettes and the public duty finder, with the only possibility being to premade or undersize, so I'm not exactly sure how you jumped to this leap, of: "Well BLU allows it, therefore it should be ok". Not really comparable lol.

    Not sure why this was highlighted either but let me make my point abundantly clear that the dungeons we'd be entering would be with complete utility kits would far exceed that of which the dungeon was designed for. I'm not really sure what to say if you really think a Samurai being able to do Midare > Kaeshi: Setsugekka is a good idea in a low-level dungeon, besides.. Knowing other people, they'll get just as toxic because "You aren't the level I think you should be. Griefing!"
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    Last edited by Kaurhz; 12-02-2020 at 10:59 AM. Reason: clarity

  2. #12
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    Iyami Galvayra
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    Cactuar
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    It's probably just easier to code as "This is your level, these are your spells", rather than trying to worry about scaling potency for spells you shouldn't have yet. Leaving full potency skills in place at low levels just hurls game balance out the window. Just look at how much damage a dancer (usually one of the lowest personal DPS jobs) does in Sastasha, where Standard Step keeps its full power.
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  3. #13
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    Daeriion Aeradiir
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    About as fast as a BLU run, and SE seems ok with allowing those.

    All damage is throttled by weapon damage which when synced is low.
    BLU is barred from DF and roulettes (where the vast majority of people are going to queue solo rather than find a full party of BLU or for roulette rewards), so what it can accomplish is pretty irrelevant, as Square cares about balancing when it involves DF matchmaking, not premades. Otherwise they'd prevent people from partying up for experts since a full premade can easily do 10-12 min expert runs where most DF runs are closer to 18-25 depending on luck of the draw.

    Yoshi-P has stated in the past that with the level syncing system, they want everyone to be on a decent enough level playing field. Weapon damage may be synced when low, but a level 80 is still capable of so many more times damage than an on-level character can accomplish in sheer potency alone. Even just as a quick example, contrast a level 80 WAR vs a level 30 WAR hitting 3 enemies:

    A level 30 WAR does berserk, gets 5x Overpower in its window for 650 potency (all of which Crit/DH). Then does 2x more overpowers (which may not DH/CRT) for 910 potency total per enemy, or 2730 potency across the 3 enemies.
    The level 80 WAR does IR, gets 5x Decimate for 1250 potency (all of which CRT/DH) then adds 2x chaotic cyclones for an additional 800 potency (also guaranteed to DH/CRT), for 2050 potency per enemy, or 6150 potency across the three enemies. Add in 10% from Storm's eye for 6765 potency total.

    From a sheer raw numbers comparison, that WAR already did 2.5x as much potency as the level 30 WAR did. The gap widens more if even a single one of the 30 WAR's overpowers didn't CRT/DH. This also ignores the free upheaval + Onslaught during the 80 WAR's IR for an extra 550 potency. This also even ignores the fact that in just standard aoe, the 80 WAR does 70 extra potency every 2 GCDs from having Mythril Tempest.

    And lets not even get started with the fact the 80 WAR has Nascent flash, allowing them to lifesteal while the 30 WAR is literally incapable of it outside of storm's path.

    And all of this is on a job that is extremely GCD heavy and is also a tank. I'm sure the potency gaps would look even crazier on an actual dps job.

    Weapon damage is pretty irrelevant when having access to your full toolkit gives you literally 2-5x as much damage output as someone who doesn't. The difference between getting a party of 4 synced players vs 4 unsynced ones would be ridiculous.
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    Last edited by Daeriion_Aeradiir; 12-02-2020 at 11:32 AM.

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    Gobio Benji
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    Ramuh
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    Could at least show some mercy to consolidate a skill set into level 30, 50, 60, 70.
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    Claire Oreiro
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    Because it would be good design and we are not allowed to have fun. Enjoy pressing one button for 30 minutes in this best MMORPG of all times.
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  7. #16
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    Reinhardt Azureheim
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cetek14 View Post
    Because it would be good design and we are not allowed to have fun. Enjoy pressing one button for 30 minutes in this best MMORPG of all times.
    I fail to see how it would be good design to have a Lv80 BLM with Triplecast, Umbral Hearts, Flare, Leylines, Sharpcast, Thunder IV in Haukke Manor when that Lv30 Black Mage barely learned how to use Thunder I. Would just create a situation where you'd want to run with as few newbies as possible, as in just running with your own crew of like Lv70+ to level with the roulette, which defeats the point of roulettes to begin with.
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  8. #17
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    Jira Dal'riata
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cetek14 View Post
    Because it would be good design and we are not allowed to have fun. Enjoy pressing one button for 30 minutes in this best MMORPG of all times.
    How hyperbolic and quite hypocritical considering. There are in-game issues and then theirs you who swears syncing is the root of all the games issues
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    It's fun to not have to use all your abilities from time to time and/or use different rotations depending on level range.
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  10. #19
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    X'lota Qi
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    It's just easier to scale instead of having to adjust every single action.
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    "A good RPG needs a healthy dose of imbalance."
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuC365vjzBFmvbu6M7dB80A

  11. #20
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    Y'sira Kurai
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cetek14 View Post
    Because it would be good design and we are not allowed to have fun. Enjoy pressing one button for 30 minutes in this best MMORPG of all times.
    I have fun doing content without all my skills. Been doing it for years. What isn't fun is having people come here and pretend this is something the development team should even think about wasting their time doing other than adjusting when some skills become available which they've don't to some jobs this xpac.

    They seem to have more than enough trouble balancing it at level 80 with the constant update to jobs and skills let alone try and do that at all levels.
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    Last edited by LaylaTsarra; 12-02-2020 at 06:54 PM.

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