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    Why can't sync just affect gear and stats...?

    Why does it have to affect learnt skills/spells? Like...you get thrown into some random low level dungeon and you are suddenly pressing 1-2 for 20 minutes straight. Why? Also, jobs feel extremely unbalanced at low levels, for example, DRK feels really underwhelming before getting TBN.
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    Player Ammokkx's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallus View Post
    Why does it have to affect learnt skills/spells? Like...you get thrown into some random low level dungeon and you are suddenly pressing 1-2 for 20 minutes straight. Why? Also, jobs feel extremely unbalanced at low levels, for example, DRK feels really underwhelming before getting TBN.
    Because if I had access to all my skills as a level 80 job in Sastasha the level 18 sprout is going to be incredibly confused as to why Esteem is running around and I'm doing 4 different AoE attacks.
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    Good heavens.. One can only imagine how fast a 50 or below dungeon would go if we had access to our entire job kit to our actual level.. Or how drastically underwhelming these dungeons would be
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ammokkx View Post
    Because if I had access to all my skills as a level 80 job in Sastasha the level 18 sprout is going to be incredibly confused as to why Esteem is running around and I'm doing 4 different AoE attacks.
    If that happens due to how your synced stats work you'll be doing three times more DPS than the sprout anyway (except you'll be pressing 1-2), are you really telling me that it is designed this way so that the new players don't get confused over seeing too many skills/spells used from their teammates? You'd think a sprout is busy trying to figure out their own stuff...?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurhz View Post
    Good heavens.. One can only imagine how fast a 50 or below dungeon would go if we had access to our entire job kit to our actual level.. Or how drastically underwhelming these dungeons would be
    Level 50 dungeon packs evaporate faster than you can breath...already. Bosses do it too.

    Also:

    Rotations =/= Damage ?
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    Last edited by Gallus; 12-02-2020 at 07:18 AM.

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    Player Ammokkx's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallus View Post
    If that happens due to how your synced stats work you'll be doing three times more DPS than the sprout anyway (except you'll be pressing 1-2), are you really telling me that it is designed this way so that the new players don't get confused over seeing too many skills/spells used from their teammates?
    Lower level dungeons are already faster and easier than they were in base content because of bloated potency numbers. You're going to go through them at blazing speeds and leaving newbies in behind if you further unlocked the kit.

    The reason sync is there is to keep the power level, in terms of both skills and gear, to what you should reasonably have going in. When I entered Sastasha as a thaumaturge I didn't have much more than my basic fire/ice spells. If there was a black mage with me who could be casting freeze, fire III, leylines then I'd be asking "yo why can't I do that" because I'm playing the same class at a lower level.

    I get that it's furstrating to be synced down to what you're meant to be, but allowing every skill at low levels is just a bad idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallus View Post
    If that happens due to how your synced stats work you'll be doing three times more DPS than the sprout anyway (except you'll be pressing 1-2), are you really telling me that it is designed this way so that the new players don't get confused over seeing too many skills/spells used from their teammates? You'd think a sprout is busy trying to figure out their own stuff...?



    Level 50 dungeon packs evaporate faster than you can breath...already. Bosses do it too.

    Also:

    Rotations =/= Damage ?
    Extra abilities and oGCDs will always translate into extra damage since it is more than what you otherwise would have at the level range. Can you imagine a WHM in Sastasha spamming Holy Instead of Stone? Or a Dancer slapping Technical Step around, or a MNK having access to their full utility kit, or a Summoner having access to DWT, Bahamut, or even Phoenix, or an AST having access to Gravity, or a BRD having access to Enhanced Quick Knock prior to those higher levels?

    I get it nobody enjoys being in Sastasha and having access to like 2 abilities.
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    Player Ammokkx's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurhz View Post
    Extra abilities and oGCDs will always translate into extra damage since it is more than what you otherwise would have at the level range. Can you imagine a WHM in Sastasha spamming Holy Instead of Stone? Or a Dancer slapping Technical Step around, or a MNK having access to their full utility kit, or a Summoner having access to DWT, Bahamut, or even Phoenix, or an AST having access to Gravity, or a BRD having access to Enhanced Quick Knock prior to those higher levels?

    I get it nobody enjoys being in Sastasha and having access to like 2 abilities.
    To add an example I'm familiar with: Kenki generation on Samurai. At higher levels you deadass gain 5 more Kenki on average per rotation skill you hit, and since skills that use it are generally not reliant on the cooldowns of other skills, you objectively do more damage as you're able to use them more often with no extra cost or effort required on your part other than hitting a button more often. Granted this is more to do with crossing the level 60-70 than pertaining to Sastasha, but I think it nicely illustrates how you just gain more flat damage even without needing to get any additional skill.

    Also, skills that upgrade with more potency as they level. See Stone becoming Glare.
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    Because "something something new players will have a bad experience in sastasha something something." Honestly I just don't do content that level syncs me anymore.
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    Dal S'ta
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    Bard Lv 95
    Quote Originally Posted by Gallus View Post
    Why does it have to affect learnt skills/spells? Like...you get thrown into some random low level dungeon and you are suddenly pressing 1-2 for 20 minutes straight. Why? Also, jobs feel extremely unbalanced at low levels, for example, DRK feels really underwhelming before getting TBN.
    As an aside, you're still listed as "Arcanist 80" on your forum character description here. Might want to change that. Took me a few years (around level 70) to discover I could change it from Archer to Bard.

    As for "pressing 1-2 for 20 minutes straight", you must be doing something extremely wrong if you only have two skills at level 15-18 (the min-max for Sastasha). Even my Summoner [Arcanist] level 18 skills have 5 buttons to press (not counting my pet). OK, Ninja might only have 2 buttons, but I can still put out a lot of damage with that 1-2 combo

    The reason? We're there for the new folks with a leaf by their name, and we get XP/whatever as a reward for doing so. In exchange, we agree we can't use any skills the other Arcanist in the group doesn't have yet, kinda keeping us both on an even footing. Sure we do a bit more damage, but we also get to relive the wonder days of our misspent youth ... ah, what a lovely six years it's been.

    As for that unbalanced feeling -- welcome to getting older and wiser.
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurhz View Post
    Good heavens.. One can only imagine how fast a 50 or below dungeon would go if we had access to our entire job kit to our actual level.. Or how drastically underwhelming these dungeons would be
    About as fast as a BLU run, and SE seems ok with allowing those.

    All damage is throttled by weapon damage which when synced is low.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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