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    ehhh, don't NPC's already mostly use terms like adventurer; hero of Ishgard; warrior of light/darkness ect when talking about the player character (especially in voiced cutscenes and the Tales of storries)? So that's already gender neutral language, simply because it means they only have to record one version of the cutscenes.
    Heck, in Japanese this is even more prominent since referring to someone like this is more common than using he/her. It's honestly only the German and French versions that are explicit in regards to pronouns because gendered language
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    Quote Originally Posted by swiss_Momo View Post
    ehhh, don't NPC's already mostly use terms like adventurer; hero of Ishgard; warrior of light/darkness ect when talking about the player character (especially in voiced cutscenes and the Tales of storries)? So that's already gender neutral language, simply because it means they only have to record one version of the cutscenes.
    In voiced cutscenes to cut down on needing to record two versions of a line, yes. But sometimes they just can't help it or they'd tie the language into knots.

    The rest of the time, they do use gendered wording a lot through the script.

    I think a big conundrum with including a separate pronoun choice in games (not specifically FFXIV but with that kind of setup), even if the writers want to and are starting from scratch so they can build it in, is that it does multiply how many versions of scenarios they have to write out. A "third option" of using they is really more like a third-and-fourth option because dialogue will still differ between male-bodied and female-bodied characters. Give a free choice of he/she/they and you need to write - or at least consider - six variations of how the dialogue would play out. Certainly FFXIV's script would need places where people mistake your gender or ignore it or just aren't going to know.

    Only allowing for the two distinct genders and no middle ground for confusion is just a lot simpler for storywriting purposes with a variable character, especially in a game like this with a complex script, because it has a lot more impact on dialogue than other character-design choices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swiss_Momo View Post
    ...Heck, in Japanese this is even more prominent since referring to someone like this is more common than using he/her.
    There is a lot to it, in terms of politeness. But, thinking about this point, I now have to go back through the cutscenes now and look for any occurences of お前... heh.

    In my mind the English translators changed a lot of good Japanese content into what could be be described as dross. (My signature line gives the biggest hint at this).
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    やはり、お前は……笑顔が……イイ