Naoki Yoshida: Can we get an extreme trials roulette please?

[ForteNightshade]

Exactly. We're talking about an option.

I, personally, would *love* to see a minimal ilvl roulette. Leveling roulette bores me to tears.

Options aren't free though. You're asking the dev team to code something they know will see minimal use at best. That time they waste coding an EX roulette could be put into content people will actually partake in.

[Kuroka]

What is it with ppl not wanting stuff others would like to have? You dont like it, ok, fine - just dont do it. Im not preaching about removing feast either lol.

To make that roullet would be a few min or some hours at max, as its basically a template they already have filled we the ex tirals and maybe an extra reward at the end, the most work would be a image for the DF lol

[ForteNightshade]

What is it with ppl not wanting stuff others would like to have? You dont like it, ok, fine - just dont do it. Im not preaching about removing feast either lol.

To make that roullet would be a few min or some hours at max, as its basically a template they already have filled we the ex tirals and maybe an extra reward at the end, the most work would be a image for the DF lol

And you know this based on years of coding experience, yes? Adding code to an existing system isn't simply ctrl C/P. It may cause issues with the existing code, and will inevitably require hours of testing given the sheer scale of a MMO. All for a system they know won't garner any significant interest. There isn't a reward that will incentive people into an EX Roulette. Basically, it's a complete waste of time hence why they've never bothered doing it.

Not to mention, I'll reiterate my point from earlier. EX fights all have a min ilvl requirement. If I queue at i430, you'll only ever get Titania or Innocence. The roulette literally can't give you anything else. And much like Alliance roulette, there is zero incentive for people to do the harder EXs when they can stomp all over Titania and Innocence for the same reward. And before you mention they could up the rewards. They haven't done that for Orbonne yet. Why would they suddenly do it for EXs? Additionally, what could they really offer? If an EX Roulette gave you 300 Revelation tomes. Do you really think 350-400 will be enough for people to do WoL?

People aren't criticise the idea because they don't want you to have it. We're explaining why it'll be a complete waste of time. You won't get to do it even if the devs actually added an EX Roulette because the community as a whole won't queue for it.

[Rilifane]

The problem with Ex roulette is that the people who are most likely to know and clear the fight are also the ones experienced enough to know to stay the hell out of this roulette.
Even "farm party" PFs were already traps a few weeks after the Ex released and now imagine that with random people who didn't even chose a specific Ex, some of them who have just unlocked this shiny new thing and blindly hopped in, others who know they might get an Ex they don't remember a thing about but hope for the best and do it anyway.
Even normal trial roulette can easily eat 30-40min if you get yet another Hades/ Ruby/ WoL wipefest.

[Rosa_Frandlia]

And you know this based on years of coding experience, yes? Adding code to an existing system isn't simply ctrl C/P. It may cause issues with the existing code, and will inevitably require hours of testing given the sheer scale of a MMO. All for a system they know won't garner any significant interest. There isn't a reward that will incentive people into an EX Roulette. Basically, it's a complete waste of time hence why they've never bothered doing it.

Not to mention, I'll reiterate my point from earlier. EX fights all have a min ilvl requirement. If I queue at i430, you'll only ever get Titania or Innocence. The roulette literally can't give you anything else. And much like Alliance roulette, there is zero incentive for people to do the harder EXs when they can stomp all over Titania and Innocence for the same reward. And before you mention they could up the rewards. They haven't done that for Orbonne yet. Why would they suddenly do it for EXs? Additionally, what could they really offer? If an EX Roulette gave you 300 Revelation tomes. Do you really think 350-400 will be enough for people to do WoL?

People aren't criticise the idea because they don't want you to have it. We're explaining why it'll be a complete waste of time. You won't get to do it even if the devs actually added an EX Roulette because the community as a whole won't queue for it.

You could also with 430 ilvl end up in Titan EX, Suzako EX, Shinyru EX, etc... One person always aiming the tail wrong on Shinyru and ouch! While certain fights like Ultima and Bismarck you can usually teach fast, not all are that way if someone only cleared this content unsynced. Skip SOAR or disband would become a thing again in this Roulette for Zurvan I'm sure.

[Payadopa]

Options aren't free though. You're asking the dev team to code something they know will see minimal use at best. That time they waste coding an EX roulette could be put into content people will actually partake in.

The same could be said about anything that's older than two weeks in this game, though.

And we already have DF. You just apply a stronger lvl synch than the one you usually get. That's a hotfix at best.

[Gemina]

A big problem I see right now is not many players like to be synced to a lower level. I think this reason alone would have players avoid an EX trial roulette. Roulettes are mostly used for the rewards they offer, so a clear and a relatively painless one is the expectation for them carried by players.

I think players would be more likely to use this roulette if a clear was guaranteed, and the rewards would have to be worth it. Right now with the current rewards we are given for roulettes along with the difficulty of most EX trials being above casual-friendly, neither of those requirements by players would be met.

However on the flip side, if clears were guaranteed for these fights, the rewards would have actually have to be more on par with current roulette rewards (gil, exp, tomes, wolf marks, clusters). Things like mounts, totems, crafting mats, furnishings etc. would actually have to be stripped from those fights. I know such a decision seems impractical, but I have a strong inclination that if they were asked why there isn't a roulette for EX trials, they would state something along those lines.

The other approach I can think of would require changing the player mindset. They would release the roulette, but also tell players that the rewards will be adjusted so that it is worthwhile, however clears will not be guaranteed.

[Daeriion_Aeradiir]

The same could be said about anything that's older than two weeks in this game, though.

Sure, but all you have to do is look at how mentor roulette functions when EX trials pop up to understand why taking any amount of time programming an EX roulette would be a complete waste of time instead of putting that time coding into something that might get even marginally some benefit and/or use.

It'd either have to be made as a solo queue and have the roulette be completely dead from lack of interest from the fact you have a 90% chance of wiping nonstop for 60minutes, only able to be popped at all due to mentor roulette peeps being funneled into it.
OR
it'd allow for party queueing...which would completely defeat the point of it (since you could just queue up an EX trial if you have 8 people interested in doing them...lol), and serve nothing more than 8/8 premades to get easy access to the huge rewards that would be required on the roulette to get people to even possibly queue it as an incentive.

Unreal trials are Square's solution to letting people enjoy the old fights at a level of difficulty that mirrored when they originally came out. Old EX trials should stay in the void of unsynced territory. And if you really want to do the old ones synced for some reason, then go recruit 7 others on PF or in discords that share the same mindset. If you can't find 7 others...then that speaks volumes about the interest an EX roulette would have.

[Jojoya]

I don't see anything wrong with adding it as a option. I doubt it would take that much developer time to program a new roulette. Take the trials roulette base programming, switch the trials you get from the Normal/Hard ones to the Extremes, give it a new title and description.

If a player doesn't want to do it, then they choose not to queue. Simple. We've got plenty of other options if we're trying to get tomestones or XP. No one has to do every roulette.

I also don't think it will work out as well as OP hopes because of parties getting frustrated by wipes when part of the party doesn't know what they're doing. Then again, it might work out over time after a rough start. The more you do something, the more familiar you become with it and the better you begin to perform. A roulette would create more exposure.

For someone who said you should only be able to get an EX that you've already cleared, that's not going to stop problems. Plenty of players get carried through clears and don't learn a thing.

As for why we have Unreal, I think that was more because players have been asking for a way to do old content using their full level cap toolkits than to increase exposure to the old EX trials to those who didn't do them when they were current. If the goal was to create exposure, the EX roulette would have been the obvious way to go in the first place.

[SannaR]

It's like people forget most don't even remember how to do Sophia synced. Or the fact even the rare time I get Tsukiyomi hard I get killed by tanks aiming the conal attack during the first fan phase. Along with people not paying attention to their moon color stacks. Now try thinking of how worse this can be in extreme. There's a lot of fights that would be hard to do in DF. Specially if when you get those who are all about wanting to do this blind even after the third wipe. Along with those who even after repeated telling how mechanics work still don't care or aren't listening.