Thread: Patch 5.4 Trailer, Predictions, and Hints

Originally Posted by Kesey

Thats exactly how I meant it. Since most people are 7/14 rejoined they are growing in their power to resummon Zodiark. If we defeat Zodiark and Hydaelyn doesn't resunder the star, the people will remain 7/14 (or even 8/14 if Fandaniel gets another rejoining) which we know is the needed power levels to resummon Zodiark.

How do we know any of that?

I've seen it said that if Zodiark got over half the shards restored he'd be powerful enough to break free, but that was an assumption based on an in-game source re: the amount of calamities that turned out to be mistaken.

Originally Posted by Kesey

And since primals can be resummoned even after they are defeated, and since its a ridiculously tall order to destroy all the Ascians, earse their culture (which we promised to remember), and finally resunder 7 or 8/14 rejoinings so the power level needed isn't there, he has the potential to come back. Also I clarified my statement after you quoted me but was the part of my quote you cut off.

I mean, the 2nd part of your statement really only works if someone agrees with the 1st part. I don't, hence why I didn't quote it.

A fine "Zodiark is perfectly gone" scenario is that he is killed, that's it. There is no one around who has the time, power, resources or inclination to resummon him in his full glory. There aren't exactly a great deal of 14/14 ancient sorcerers running around with access to councils full of similarly powerful ancient experts, libraries full of ancient knowledge, and cities full of 14/14 ancients to sacrifice as fuel.

Someone might hear about Zodiark and try to summon him for whatever reason, which to be fair could indeed end up being a big problem, but not really any more so than any other primal might end up being depending on how much aether is poured into them.

Originally Posted by Kesey

Lastly, summoning primals is creation magic (the elders and normies). If you still believe that these are two different things you were not paying attention when you went to Amarout.

You are explicitly told in Amaurot that you have zero capacity to do creation magic. It's also established that anyone, even the WoL, could perform a summoning if they really wanted to.

It follows therefore, that summoning is not the same as creation magic. Might be very loosely related, but it doesn't have the same requirements and it doesn't get the same results.

Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

8/14ths. 7 Shards destroyed, our main self on the Source. That's 8/14. With Ardbert, we're now 9/14, with only 5 shards left.

lol, I knew I should have double-checked