Multiple Houses

[worldofneil]

There are several wards with FC's that have 10+ houses.

that still doesn't mean that these people, 2 years later, are able to keep all these houses.

Sorry, but I think you're mixing up personal houses with FC houses. Personal houses are restricted to one per world per service account. The only people with more than one personal house were grandfathered in, two years ago. It's now impossible for people to get more than one personal house and that number of grandfathered housing is only going down as people stop playing (auto demolition) or have to demolish themselves to move worlds.

However, any service account can still have up to 8 FC houses on the same world. They'd have to create 8 separate FCs and level them all to rank 6 and have four members and finally the money to buy the houses, but there's no actual restriction on the number of houses other than the limit of characters. Two years ago Square Enix changed it so both personal and FC housing were restricted to 1 per world per service account, but they removed the FC restriction only a week later. They've never said why, but I think it was probably due to issues with passing FC leadership with an inactive leader (or just wanted to temporarily pass leadership to someone else). I know that the housing mini website says FC houses are restricted, but for whatever reason they've never updated that part of the site.

Also, when you buy a house in-game there's no mention at all of housing restrictions (except when it won't let you buy it) and there's certainly no link to the housing mini site (the only place that actually say about the limit of houses). So it's more than possible for people to buy houses without even seeing this mini site or knowing that at one time SE placed a restriction on FC housing.

Basically my point is you want to remove multiple housing from people, but as long as the game lets people do this, they're not doing anything wrong. Greedy? Yes possibly, but they're not breaking any game rules either so it's unfair to suddenly remove their houses. They also had to fight to get those houses in the first place, using the same systems as everyone else, they're not just automatically handed a house. It'd also impossible to compensate for loss of property too. Yes could refund the base house price, but it's unlikely they'd have anywhere to store all the furniture without a house and they can't really compensate for time/effort/Gil in decorating them either.

Much easier for Square Enix to just work on adding new houses.

[Basch1990]

I'm talking about those grandfathered in. And even so, SE doesn't have to input a massive code to demo. It's easy enough to send a message and make them choose then auto demo the rest. And they can also put restrictions on Service accounts as well and make it so all chars in a server have access to that house. Really not that hard. And do you really think they are spending the time to add more so people can keep their stuff? No. In the almost 8 years since launch, they upped housing twice. And with barely any actual add ons. They plan to do it again. And people will fight over it. But then you have these FC's with 20 houses and choice few people who will just buy the house, create an alt and buy another personal just to hog as many as they can leaving those who need 1 to sit and fight. It's not fair. SE can do something but refuse to.

[Jojoya]

This is my point exactly. And players who have multiple houses only use the extra to house housing items they can't fit. Like crafters who craft every piece of furniture and every new content they craft every piece there and then stick it in their extra houses. So they aren't even being used for anything except extra storage.

You're going to be wrong about motive for purchasing most of the grandfathered multiple personal houses. Transferring housing items between characters on the same account is a royal pain unless you've got them all in the same FC with a FC house, in which case you've got the FC house for the storage and don't need the extra houses on your alts. It's not worth storing a housing items for future use when the majority are extremely cheap to make and you're going to have to do some character switching gymnastics to get to the item you want.

The multiple personal house owners have the extra houses on their alts because they wanted their alts to have houses to decorate, additional garden patch access, or to keep out neighbors who might decorate houses in way they didn't like. As others have pointed out, the number of players with multiple personal houses on the same world is very small. Most with multiple personal houses have them on different worlds, which is still allowed by the current rules.

Now there are a lot of players with single houses who are only using them for storage and have admitted such. They wanted a place to store the housing items they got through seasonal events, quest rewards, etc. in case they ever got interested in housing in the future, at which point they'd already have a house to decorate. Apartments can't store outdoor furnishings which left a house the only option. They had the gil, houses were available so they bought one. It's up to them how they use their house, not up to you to say whether or not they're using it in an acceptable manner.

Multiple FC house owners are a different creature. They're generally after multiple garden patches, workshops and wheel stands to make gil.

And even so, SE doesn't have to input a massive code to demo.

I suspect you'd be wrong with your guess about how difficult it would be to properly code this to prevent errors from happening.

Far more likely SE would have to demo every single house regardless of owner and force everyone to repurchase. That's not going to happen.

I understand the frustration the player base is experience with the current housing situation. But what you're asking for is yet another band-aid solution that would give a few dozen players access to a house without fixing the real problem, which is supply.

I'd rather see SE spend their time fixing the system than wasting time on changes that accomplish nothing in the long run.

Using and alt house as storage is simply not very feasible since everything that has been placed becomes untradable and since we can't become a tenant of our alts you can't ever use it again in another house

Trading used housing items around is possible. Just need to share tenancy in another player's house or be in the same FC. I do this a lot, shifting items between my alts when I'm redecorating their apartments and FC rooms.

[Basch1990]

No matter what. Extra garden patches, workshops, etc is still a type of storage. It's greedy af. And no. They wouldnt have to demo everything and make people repurchase. The demo ability is already active in there system. Means they just have to use it. Its not rocket science, dude. And alt houses shouldn't be allowed on the same world. That would be an easy fix as well. Instead of locking 1 to a char, lock 1 to a world. Its massively greedy. And sure. Maybe my number is off on the multi housing. But if I am wrong it's because my number is too small. Its all ridiculous and make things harder for other FC's and people.

[Catstab]

And even so, SE doesn't have to input a massive code to demo. It's easy enough to send a message and make them choose then auto demo the rest.

From a friend:
I can see the official emails from SE:
Dear subscriber, please pick one house, the rest are history. Sincerely, SE.

Ps that's what you get for being greedy.

You're looking at two different types of housing. There are personal houses for alts, which can no longer be purchased since 2018. SE already decided to grandfather these, and is unlikely to reverse the decision. There are also alt-FCs, which any account can currently acquire 8 total of. SE has hesitated to disallow acquiring additional FCs, in the event they do, I doubt they will remove FCs or FC housing that already exists and is being actively used.

In the almost 8 years since launch, they upped housing twice. And with barely any actual add ons.

When housing was first launched it was 5 wards (no sub-wards) in 3 zones. That means 450 houses total. Now we have 5,760. In the past 2 years alone, housing expanded from 3 zones to 4, and from 12 wards to 24.

[Basch1990]

Actually, this is how I would see the letter:

Dear [enter player name],
Unfortunately due to the limited amount of housing, we have to ask you to relinquish and extra plots you have. We will compensate you the amount you paid in full and ask that you choose a plot to keep. We are deeply sorry for any inconvenience this may cause.

Sincerely,
[Enter Dev Name]

Sounds more professional and actually helps the problem. And they can still take them and change their stance as they see fit. Instead of having to work around the people who bought up all the houses, just take them back first allowing for other players to fill the wards. And T bh I think you underestimate the greed cause I'm also positive people bought multiple games and took over extra plots as well making that 8 go even higher. But take the extra's away and then you put on a world limit and there you go. Saves a lot of problems and helps others to be able to purchase a house. And I started at launch but took a break before the release of the housing. But I came back 2 weeks after its release. Subdivision has always existed but yes there were only 5 wards. Then upped to 12, then 18, then to 21 then current. So I'm off by 2. Either way, the amount of houses purchased by either dead FC's, never been FC's and alts is ridiculous and should be addressed. SE is just allowing it to continue because they dont want backlash from those who are doing it. But they need to grow a pair, and just do it.

[Basch1990]

ait.and before anybody says anything about how much they paid in items, housing prices dropped substantially since 2018 so getting paid in full would allow them enough to by another house and get items back that they lost. But they wouldnt be able to because they have a limitation on how many they can buy.

[Caitlinzulu]

. But I came back 2 weeks after its release. Subdivision has always existed but yes there were only 5 wards.

Well just did a search and subdivisions got introduced in patch 2.4
just have a quick search for patchnotes .

And no taking houses away is not reasonable, compensation in full for a house is impossible. How do you put a value on time spent on the house? Put a value on decorating items that can no longer be used since not enough space to place.
Taking housing away from people that have legally bought them is a bad move no matter how you look at it and it would create bad publicity