Multiple Houses

[Caitlinzulu]

Would be nice to actually have numbers about how many houses are actually grandfathered in since I hear lots of speculation about numbers. Could very well be less then you think.

Yes I am one of them. With 2 personal houses. And to the hateful people claiming that second houses are just storage that is simply not true both are carefully and loving decorated.
Using and alt house as storage is simply not very feasible since everything that has been placed becomes untradable and since we can't become a tenant of our alts you can't ever use it again in another house

[Basch1990]

That means 450 houses total.

Another thing.... Your math is wrong. If subdivisions didn't exist and there were 5 wards then there would only be 150 plots due to there only being 30 plots per ward. But with subs, it comes out to 300. 5×30=150, 5×60=300. :/ so subdivisions existing since launch is the only way for the number to be anywhere near your projection.

[Caitlinzulu]

Another thing.... Your math is wrong. If subdivisions didn't exist and there were 5 wards then there would only be 150 plots due to there only being 30 plots per ward. But with subs, it comes out to 300. 5×30=150, 5×60=300. :/ so subdivisions existing since launch is the only way for the number to be anywhere near your projection.

5 wards with 30 plots each is 150 plots per district
3 districts (lavender beds, mist and goblet) means 3 times 150 or total of 450 houses per server

now we got 24 wards with 60 houses each in each district which makes 1 440 houses in each district
We got 4 districts now (shirogane got added to the 3 we had) that makes 4 times 1 440 or 5 760 houses

an increase in housing by a factor of 12.8

[Catstab]

Your math is wrong. If subdivisions didn't exist and there were 5 wards then there would only be 150 plots due to there only being 30 plots per ward. But with subs, it comes out to 300. 5×30=150, 5×60=300. :/ so subdivisions existing since launch is the only way for the number to be anywhere near your projection.

I wasn't going to bicker back and forth about subdivisions. I said once they didn't exist at launch. A simple google search shows that.

Yes, 150 houses per zone. So after you factor in Goblet, Lavender Beds, and Mist, 5 wards of 30 houses in each of 3 zones make 450 total.

We have more than 12 times as much housing currently than we had at launch, and its certainly suggested more could be coming soon. Ishgard should be released in the next 4-10 months, and more ward expansions seem likely to occur before then. The last ward expansions each added 720 houses. A large ward expansion is 1440 houses. Either of these is more beneficial than demolishing existing houses.

[Basch1990]

5 wards with 30 plots each is 150 plots per district
3 districts (lavender beds, mist and goblet) means 3 times 150 or total of 450 houses per server

now we got 24 wards with 60 houses each in each district which makes 1 440 houses in each district
We got 4 districts now (shirogane got added to the 3 we had) that makes 4 times 1 440 or 5 760 houses

an increase in housing by a factor of 12.8

Ah. You're right. Had a math fart there

[Basch1990]

Well just did a search and subdivisions got introduced in patch 2.4
just have a quick search for patchnotes .

And no taking houses away is not reasonable, compensation in full for a house is impossible. How do you put a value on time spent on the house? Put a value on decorating items that can no longer be used since not enough space to place.
Taking housing away from people that have legally bought them is a bad move no matter how you look at it and it would create bad publicity

The problem with this ideal is that they never should have had the time in the first place. Its ridiculously greedy to take from other people, just so you could have that much space. Its not fair to the rest of us at all. And with the going rates for houses right now, giving a full refund is more then generous

[Catstab]

The problem with this ideal is that they never should have had the time in the first place. Its ridiculously greedy to take from other people, just so you could have that much space. Its not fair to the rest of us at all.

SE doesn't make a habit of revoking what players already spent time collecting in accordance with the game rules. While SE might restrict single accounts to 1 FC house per world in the future, it is unlikely to affect currently existing houses.

[Basch1990]

SE doesn't make a habit of revoking what players already spent time collecting in accordance with the game rules. While SE might restrict single accounts to 1 FC house per world in the future, it is unlikely to affect currently existing houses.

That is why I'm saying they need to invoke the ability for it to affect them. Why should thousands of players have to suffer because people are greedy? We already deal with the url, we shouldnt have to deal with it in game when it can be avoided. Entire wards could open up with a simple click allowing players to be able to actually own a place or free companies can finally purchase a house to gain access to airships and submarines. And condoning that behavior make people believe that its ok to do stuff like that. Especially at the cost of others. Instead of allowing it, they should change it in some way

[Basch1990]

And I meant "irl" not "url"

[Jojoya]

First, housing prices have not changed since May 2016. I have no idea where you got the 2018 from but it's not correct.

That is why I'm saying they need to invoke the ability for it to affect them. Why should thousands of players have to suffer because people are greedy? We already deal with the url, we shouldnt have to deal with it in game when it can be avoided. Entire wards could open up with a simple click allowing players to be able to actually own a place or free companies can finally purchase a house to gain access to airships and submarines. And condoning that behavior make people believe that its ok to do stuff like that. Especially at the cost of others. Instead of allowing it, they should change it in some way

Except they won't. The grandfathered houses are far less in number than you think.

Those players weren't being greedy at the time they made their purchases. There were dozens if not hundreds of unpurchased houses on most worlds, and that was still true on several worlds as recently as January 2019. Others didn't want to buy so those players did. It was only later as player population grew faster than additional houses got added that we ended up with the problem we now have.

Now the players who have made their multiple purchases since the ownership rules were changed in 2018 - yes, I'd agree they are greedy. The change to the ownership rules was clearly posted it and the intent should have been obvious - helping more players get access to houses. The players who decided to start making multiple shell FCs to get more than their fair share ignored it. But their houses also aren't grandfathered so removing the grandfather clause wouldn't affect them.

Taking away the additional houses for the multiple house owner is still not going to solve the problem, or even make things better to a noticeable degree. There simply aren't even close to enough houses in the game. We've got an estimated active player population of 1.2 million. There are less 400,000 houses in the game. Take away all houses from FCs, take away all multiple houses so players are limited to one house per account regardless of how many different worlds there are. That still leaves 800,000 players without the ability get a house.

We need real solutions to the supply problem. Your suggestion won't accomplish anything, least of all get you a house.