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  1. #31
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    M1 expectations

    Quote Originally Posted by _Pigzig View Post
    Thanks. Makes sense it runs like a turd. If anyone else has an M1 Mac I'd like to know what settings you play on.
    For me even 720p seems borderline.
    I am running it on an M1 MacBook Air, with 8 GPU cores... PS4 controller via bluetooth, of course. Depending on settings and where I am in the game, it runs anywhere from 6 FPS* to 60-ish FPS.

    Generally, I run it full screen at ??x800 (whatever the next step up from 720p is), with the Quality set to "High" (the middle setting). What also helps is reducing the number of objects down from Maximum, in the ellipsis section of the system settings. I tend to keep screwing with the settings, hoping to get an extra bump.

    It doesn't run like a turd, but you definitely need to lower your expectations with regards to shadows, bump mapping, and other graphics prettiness.

    As a side note, FFXIV for MacOS is little more than the Windows x64 version in a WINE wrapper. It was ported by TransGaming using their Cider fork of WINE. Once TG died, the project was taken over by Codeweavers, using their CrossOver package. (See https://www.codeweavers.com/about/news/press/20190628 )

    I do not expect Squeenix to abandon the Mac client, nor do I expect them to embrace the M1. Although Windows 10 and 11 have ARM variants, that hardware tends to be tablets and ultrabooks. Not exactly a target market for gaming. ...and that would be the greater business need for an ARM-native version.

    * Six FPS? Yes. I used AirPlay to connect it to my AppleTV to run on a native 4K television. I do not recommend.
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  2. #32
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    I'd like to actually see an M1 Native version at some stage simply because there's no guarantee on how long the Rosetta 2 compatibility layer will last for. When Apple moved from PowerPC to x86 back in the day, the compatibility layer was only supported in the Mac OS X releases of the time for a few years and I don't expect it to be any different this time around. By the time Endwalker is complete and we're moving onto 7.0, I can see there being no more x86 compatibility or new x86 Macs on the market. Sooner or later, preferably sooner, SE will have to provide an ARM native macOS client or at least take the time to move onto a compatibility wrapper that's much more performant.
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  3. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johners View Post
    I'd like to actually see an M1 Native version at some stage simply because there's no guarantee on how long the Rosetta 2 compatibility layer will last for. When Apple moved from PowerPC to x86 back in the day, the compatibility layer was only supported in the Mac OS X releases of the time for a few years and I don't expect it to be any different this time around. By the time Endwalker is complete and we're moving onto 7.0, I can see there being no more x86 compatibility or new x86 Macs on the market. Sooner or later, preferably sooner, SE will have to provide an ARM native macOS client or at least take the time to move onto a compatibility wrapper that's much more performant.
    It's much more likely that what will happen will be exactly what happened when Apple moved to PowerPC. Apple will not be the platform to play games on, because the install base is small enough that it's not worth the development time or money to write the game to run on them.
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  4. #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johners View Post
    I'd like to actually see an M1 Native version at some stage simply because there's no guarantee on how long the Rosetta 2 compatibility layer will last for. When Apple moved from PowerPC to x86 back in the day, the compatibility layer was only supported in the Mac OS X releases of the time for a few years and I don't expect it to be any different this time around. By the time Endwalker is complete and we're moving onto 7.0, I can see there being no more x86 compatibility or new x86 Macs on the market. Sooner or later, preferably sooner, SE will have to provide an ARM native macOS client or at least take the time to move onto a compatibility wrapper that's much more performant.
    It will be supported for a long time... PowerPC wasn't nearly as popular as x86 is.... and it is still currently in use today and for the forseeable future.

    Thats not to say it we wouldn't benefit from native M1 support but x86 compatibility will be around for a long time and I'm pretty sure because of this Square will be happy to let the game sit as is given most people don't play it on macs. I also have an M1 Air.
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  5. #35
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    M1's and multiple monitors...*panics in kernel* kupo <3 lol
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    Kupo!

  6. #36
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ath192 View Post
    It will be supported for a long time... PowerPC wasn't nearly as popular as x86 is.... and it is still currently in use today and for the forseeable future.

    Thats not to say it we wouldn't benefit from native M1 support but x86 compatibility will be around for a long time and I'm pretty sure because of this Square will be happy to let the game sit as is given most people don't play it on macs. I also have an M1 Air.
    Also that person does not seem to know that Apple Silicon is ARM-based, even the Surface Pro X is ARM, and Windows can run on ARM. Considering Apple didn't stop selling their last x86 Mac until 2020, the policy is at-least 7 years before vintage status and stop getting latest support. 2014 Macs can run Monterey.

    More importantly M1 Mac is even superior to console versions because it can support GShade, and ACT among other things at 60+ fps in macOS Monterey.
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    Patch 6.4:

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAMac1988 View Post
    Patch 6.4:

    Nice, from tuesday I can stop to use facebook or watch movies while working.
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    I have 10,000 needles,
    I'm not a weaver,
    and I'm not scared to use them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greydor View Post
    Jokes aside about FFXIV performance on Macs, we're one generation away from being unable to play this game in Bootcamp, which actually works quite well for this game.

    Blizzard announced today that they have native support for the M1 (ARM) SoC in WoW, but FFXIV is still using the (assuming Wine) wrapper, and I'm unsure if this game will even work under Rosetta2 emulation.

    Can you please update the product page with compatibility for the new M1 (ARM) SoCs, or, in the event these machines can't run FFXIV at all, issue a warning to consumers that the client is no longer supported for Mac?
    don't buy a mac for gaming

    this is a self own lmao

    even linux is better
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