Echo Vision Frequency

[Iscah]

Unfortunately for you, there's multiple instances of us having Echo visions for people or places that aren't our direct focus.

Would you like to list some of those? It's not very helpful just waving vaguely and going "yeah, there are examples that prove you wrong" without actually saying what they are.

Like I said before, she has the vision when she actives the Resonance, though she's just turned her attention towards Arenvald, her mind and Echo vision are for us. Perhaps she was intending to read Arenvald's past to say something to shut him up, but got us instead.

And as I said before, it's purely your speculation that "her mind is for us" and that she is not (as I am reading it) focused on Arenvald when her Resonance unexpectedly throws her a vision of our past.

As for that, you're misunderstanding my response to Veloran. He's talking about her buffing herself with the buff she gets in the instanced battle at the Resonatorium, and trying to say, that like we can't control our Echo at all, she can't either. Which is just simply not true, as observed in the fight, we have to use the Siphon to essentially, "Turn Off" her abilities, and she reactivates them at will when she regains her focus. Basically, her Echo isn't always on, and she controls when it is, at least while she's conscious and able to focus.

Firstly, you're again conflating "proof of control over her heightened senses in combat" with "proof of control over all aspects of the Resonance". There is no guarantee that because she can control her senses, she can also control the visions.

Secondly, we do not "turn off" her abilities at all - quite the opposite. We overwhelm them. If her gift is the aetherial equivalent of improving her hearing to listen for the slightest sound, then using the siphon on her is the equivalent of making a massive noise right in her ear and then attacking while she is deafened and reeling from the pain.

As for how Krile's Echo works for Krile, that's cool and all, but the Resonant aren't subject to the same limitations.

Again, your speculation. We haven't really explored the differences between the Resonance and the Echo, and therefore the best reference until we are told otherwise is to compare how Krile's Echo works. And if Krile can't shut it out despite experiencing it all her life, we have no reason to assume Fordola can either.

This conversation did make me look back at one of your earlier posts, and I watched some of the other cutscenes. Of particular interest is the Price of Freedom, the scene right after Castrum Abania, where she holds her head to stop or quiet possible Echo visions from Lyse. It makes me realize, that yes, Fordola can control when she has visions, but it takes conscious effort. Eventually she can't sustain that effort and has visions, including when she sleeps.

I don't see how you can assume from that scene that she has control. She winces because she received an unpleasant vision - Lyse's anger at her actions - and it's probably compounding the guilt she's already feeling over her friends' deaths. That shows us she received it and it pains her, not that she might or might not have control over whether she receives it.

It also made me think, what if it's not a conscious effort to turn on the Echo for a Resonant being, but effort to keep it turned off?

And somehow we reach the same conclusion despite reading all the scenes differently. It seems quite possible to me that she is never in control of the visions and may need to wilfully hold them off - and her flash of anger at Arenvald is enough to break that concentration and let it slip through. It seems far more plausible to me than having her choose to read our mind at that point.