Echo Vision Frequency

[Vyrerus]

You're trying to blend game play elements with the lore and they don't always mix in this case they probably don't. The device throws off her echo and when the effects wear off it reactivates. The cast bar is just a gameplay thing telling you to hit her again with the thing.

In this case they likely do, because it's Stormblood, and they were pretty big on mixing what's actually going on into the gameplay of the instanced battles.

[Kesey]

You're trying to blend game play elements with the lore and they don't always mix in this case they probably don't. The device throws off her echo and when the effects wear off it reactivates. The cast bar is just a gameplay thing telling you to hit her again with the thing.

Yes and no. The game does tell you, around the time you meet your starter city scion and they solve the mystery you have the echo, that you can see telegraphs because of the echo.

[Iscah]

Yes and no. The game does tell you, around the time you meet your starter city scion and they solve the mystery you have the echo, that you can see telegraphs because of the echo.

I don't recall that ever being said - as far as I'm aware, the "telegraphs = Echo" thing has been a long-term fan theory but never stated within the story.

If battle-instance dialogue can be taken as canon, then it seems to be disproven by "When It Rains" (at the start of NG+ Shadowbringers Part 2 if you want to replay it). At one point Alphinaud calls out that he can sense a surge of aether coming, and then gets a stack marker on him, which would suggest that sensing incoming attacks isn't purely the realm of Echo-users. Detecting magical attacks might need some degree of aetherial sensitivity, and physical attacks might be just a matter of watching your opponent and guessing their attacks (but of course you can't see every single hit coming).

[Copyright_Theft]

I would add to Iscah's perspective Fordola's body language whenever she has a vision. She winces just the same as the WoL does, every time. There's no bracing and then acting, which you would expect of someone taking a deliberate action.

[Vyrerus]

I would add to Iscah's perspective Fordola's body language whenever she has a vision. She winces just the same as the WoL does, every time. There's no bracing and then acting, which you would expect of someone taking a deliberate action.

When Lyse runs in on her in Castrum Abania, and when she's about to give the order to fire on Specula Imperatoris, she places her hand beside her head, as if she's going to have a vision, but her eyes only wince, and she speaks while wincing. This is her bracing herself to stop a vision. Note, it's always the same side of her head that has the Resonant eye.

[Iscah]

This is her bracing herself to stop a vision.

No, that is not a fact.

There is no proof that she is stopping the visions as opposed to simply receiving them.

If you are correct and she is in control, it could be interpreted as her stopping it.

If you are incorrect and she is not in control, it could be interpreted as her wincing from the pain of receiving it and not being able to stop it.

You cannot say it proves one thing or the other without other context.

[Vyrerus]

No, that is not a fact.

There is no proof that she is stopping the visions as opposed to simply receiving them.

If you are correct and she is in control, it could be interpreted as her stopping it.

If you are incorrect and she is not in control, it could be interpreted as her wincing from the pain of receiving it and not being able to stop it.

You cannot say it proves one thing or the other without other context.

If we're going try and analyze things as banal as body language in a game with preset motions for character models, then it might as well be.

In reality it's an easter egg of sorts, that we view in hindsight as it relates to her ability to have visions. In line with the story as it was presented, we know she'd been through a procedure, but didn't know the effects. It's worth noting that it's the other hand that we(and she) clench our face with when a full blown vision occurs.

And look, I get it, you're not a fan of supposition that isn't your own, but pointing out the obvious to someone who's overanalyzed pretty much everything in this game doesn't make your points resound any better.

[Veloran]

she places her hand beside her head, as if she's going to have a vision, but her eyes only wince, and she speaks while wincing.

There's no reason to believe that could only have been because of an Echo vision, Fordola was also getting unwanted feelings and thoughts from other people that intruded on her mind.

At one point Alphinaud calls out that he can sense a surge of aether coming, and then gets a stack marker on him, which would suggest that sensing incoming attacks isn't purely the realm of Echo-users.

In that case the Sin Eater is quite literally glowing with aether and clearly about to unleash a huge attack. In fact, Alphinaud tells you to gather around him not because he thinks he's the target and to disperse the force of the magic, but so he can cast a vulnerability down buff on the entire group.

If you were to look through every battle in the game I'm quite sure you could find many instances where NPCs call out attacks before they happen, but that isn't evidence against telegraphs being a result of the Echo when there are obviously countless instances of telegraphs that cannot possibly be reasonably explained through pure intuition or simply feeling a buildup of aether, especially since so many markers are extremely precise in telling WoL where and when the danger will be, beyond what you could know with the naked eye in advance.

As for Fordola's vision, I really don't see why she would suddenly intentionally instigate a vision about WoL while being in the middle of talking to someone else. Really, I think the only person who is suggested to be able to intentionally receive visions is Zenos, and that's only implied by how he knows WoL will soon be leaving the Source after narrowly missing him at the place where he fought Elidibus and received the communication with G'raha.