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    Bsrking5's Avatar
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    Alpha Lupi
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    Adamantoise
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    Astrologian Lv 90

    Is lucid dreaming good?

    I, ask you (the community) if you feel like lucid dreaming should be cut with the 6.0 expansion. IMO its not engaging and interesting to use an ability on cool down just have MP. It could be removed and MP cost and natural regen MP change to no other effect then one button every minute lost.

    Its time we let this ability go into the graveyard of old skills so we may have better and more interesting skills to use.
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    Larek Darkholme
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    Gilgamesh
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    Sage Lv 100
    I think it is fine to keep personally - I like that you keep your MP management tool as part of your rotation.
    It is however becoming less and less interesting.

    Its 2.0 equivalent was great for enmity reduction, especially as WHM but now that enmity is a non-issue and MP is also almost a non-issue, there is clearly less of a need for it.
    I would prefer making raw heals more costly and keep a MP management tool on cool-down.
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    Larek Darkholme @ Ragnarok

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    Iyami Galvayra
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    Cactuar
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    It's mainly useful for recovery after a raise, or after raising several other people in succession. Especially as a red mage, since we have no other mana recovery in our kit.
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    Y'sira Kurai
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    Conjurer Lv 100
    Yes I use it all the time. It's not going anywhere I'm sure from a developer perspective.
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    Gabriel Morgan
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    Adamantoise
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    It's pretty damn useful. I suppose I wouldn't mind if all the classes got stronger MP regen skills to phase LD's need out, but that's hardly a necessary thing. It's fine.
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    Zodiark
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Watch it get replaced by BLMs Manafont when that gets moved to role actions in 6.0
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    Last edited by Seraphor; 11-12-2020 at 12:36 AM.

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    Advent Shadowsoul
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    Zalera
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    Watch it get replaced by BLMs Manafont when that gets moved to roe actions in 6.0
    I would personally rather have manafont to be honest, or both.
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    Liam Harper
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    Zodiark
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    White Mage Lv 90
    We really need to stop having the mentality of "x ability is boring because we press it on cooldown, remove it" or we'll have no toolkit left.

    Look at the forum posts we've had so far. Consolidate combos to 1 button. Things we press on cooldown are bad. Melee positionals are bad. Dps shouldn't have any utility because tanks/healers need stuff to do. Dps shouldn't have any self heal. Ogcd heals are bad. Gcd heals we don't use often are bad too. Remove role abilities they're boring.

    They've gutted emnity management this expansion to make it easier and we just keep going, then next thing it's:

    ...."Enix why are classes so boring now wtf?"
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    Advent Shadowsoul
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liam_Harper View Post
    We really need to stop having the mentality of "x ability is boring because we press it on cooldown, remove it" or we'll have no toolkit left.

    Look at the forum posts we've had so far. Consolidate combos to 1 button. Things we press on cooldown are bad. Melee positionals are bad. Dps shouldn't have any utility because tanks/healers need stuff to do. Dps shouldn't have any self heal. Ogcd heals are bad. Gcd heals we don't use often are bad too. Remove role abilities they're boring.

    They've gutted emnity management this expansion to make it easier and we just keep going, then next thing it's:

    ...."Enix why are classes so boring now wtf?"
    To be fair i am pretty sure i seen some topics already about that last one or fairly close to it lol. I think that it isnt about the cool down, but moreso how interactive the cd is perse. Lucid Dreaming is a slow recovery mp tool, that i am guessing gets its (unintended)most uses right after being resurrected(held onto) or in prolonged fights when players look down and realize their mp is looking kinda low - while i am certain the main use of it is to be burnt on cd for some jobs as soon as it comes up(artificial padding for what piety does but now its not a caster stat so) to prevent going OoM, To be more blunt, i would be shocked to see anyone complain if Raging Strikes became cross role all over the board.
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    Alpha Lupi
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    Adamantoise
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Liam_Harper View Post
    We really need to stop having the mentality of "x ability is boring because we press it on cooldown, remove it" or we'll have no toolkit left.

    Look at the forum posts we've had so far. Consolidate combos to 1 button. Things we press on cooldown are bad. Melee positionals are bad. Dps shouldn't have any utility because tanks/healers need stuff to do. Dps shouldn't have any self heal. Ogcd heals are bad. Gcd heals we don't use often are bad too. Remove role abilities they're boring.

    They've gutted emnity management this expansion to make it easier and we just keep going, then next thing it's:

    ...."Enix why are classes so boring now wtf?"
    SE literally have been trimming skills to avoid button float and this is taking up room for better skills. They have made it clear they have a ideal max button cap they will maintain. The Dev could and should do better than this. Like even Manafont is even a better skill than LD.
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