Are some of the servers economies complete trash?

[Chaletamale]

Been trying to sell stuff for some time and I've noticed a few things wrong with this games economy.

-The game allows server hopping, robbing players on current servers the opportunity to make money selling items to their fellow server mates. Most games dont allow this for this exact reason. It moves money off server onto another economy, resulting in a crash (which I've seen happen over the past week)

-Undercutting of epic proportions. I've played the auction house game on tons of video games and I've never seen undercutting this bad. I'll list 20 items and when I come back hours later, someone has undercut my price on every single item. I cant be on 24/7 to keep adjusting, and sometimes its not even worth adjusting anymore because the items deflate way below their actual value

-Undercutting so bad that items end up deflating to prices so low that you cant acquire any real money selling them anymore. I watched an item go from 90k to 5k in a week because so many players undercut each other infinitely.

Maybe I'm just being a noob, but this seems like a severe problem. In the last week or 2 I've seen a severe market crash on my server across the board. It's made it stupidly hard to make any money. The only items that seem to sell well are ones that are a pain to craft. I've tried selling everything from crafted items to map drops. And they just sit on AH forever because people are too cheap to pay the server price, and go off server instead. In a game where people have billions, its pretty unfair to new players to not give them the chance at getting some of that money.

And I do realize there are niche items that do sell pretty well, but it just shouldnt be this hard

[Edax]

Been trying to sell stuff for some time and I've noticed a few things wrong with this games economy.

-The game allows server hopping, robbing players on current servers the opportunity to make money selling items to their fellow server mates. Most games dont allow this for this exact reason. It moves money off server onto another economy, resulting in a crash (which I've seen happen over the past week)

-Undercutting of epic proportions. I've played the auction house game on tons of video games and I've never seen undercutting this bad. I'll list 20 items and when I come back hours later, someone has undercut my price on every single item. I cant be on 24/7 to keep adjusting, and sometimes its not even worth adjusting anymore because the items deflate way below their actual value

-Undercutting so bad that items end up deflating to prices so low that you cant acquire any real money selling them anymore. I watched an item go from 90k to 5k in a week because so many players undercut each other infinitely.

Maybe I'm just being a noob, but this seems like a severe problem. In the last week or 2 I've seen a severe market crash on my server across the board. It's made it stupidly hard to make any money. The only items that seem to sell well are ones that are a pain to craft. I've tried selling everything from crafted items to map drops. And they just sit on AH forever because people are too cheap to pay the server price, and go off server instead. In a game where people have billions, its pretty unfair to new players to not give them the chance at getting some of that money.

And I do realize there are niche items that do sell pretty well, but it just shouldnt be this hard

It was the crafting rework that caused supply to completely overwhelm demand. Everyone could craft easier, get max level so much faster and even craft everything faster, but the devs forgot to create a glut of new items and resource sinks that would be in great demand to compensate.

[Xatsh]

The economy is trash on every server.

It is a problem of supply and demand. This game has a interesting crafting/gathering system but honestly probably one of the worst designed economies in the mmo world.

There is no limiting factors when it comes to crafting and gathering. Everyone can level and max out everything. Resources are extremely easy to get. There is nothing rare in crafting material wise. Crafting is 100% hq if you are geared which most high lvl crafters are. And the things you craft tend to be "Entree" lvl endgame tier, so the demand is always low unless it is the start of a major raid patch. So basically all supply no demand.

The ease removes all bars to entree. So if something if profitable 1000 people will jump on it and instantly kill the market once it is figured out. The market board also does not help.. there is no penalty for relisting or putting something on the market. So people littearly camp the boards and undercut instantly over and over and over until it is literally worth less then the base materials sell for. In my opinion you should pay the fee when it post not sells. If people lost 5% of the value of the sale every repost some people would not do it 100000xs a day.

Over all FFXIV's economy is an example of what not to do in a mmo. Sad because the crafting and gathering system is actually pretty decent.

[Frizze]

So i find this kinda funny. I usually only go server hopping if im buying something that costs over 100k. And as a fellow Primal resident ive noticed that your server never has good prices(indeed, often has the highest) - its basically a waste of 2 minutes to include it on my tour.

[Jin-]

Undercutting is a problem only because there is always those idiots who put item which sells well for 50k and they then sell it for 25k, multiple pieces. Then the trend continues and soon we are at fraction of a price thanks to the few idiots

[Ultimatecalibur]

Undercutting is a problem only because there is always those idiots who put item which sells well for 50k and they then sell it for 25k, multiple pieces. Then the trend continues and soon we are at fraction of a price thanks to the few idiots

That is free market supply and demand at its finest. The only idiots there are those that think 50k is the price that item must be.

[Coupain]

The servers economy trash ??? Are you sure ? No No No of course. I mean Like a lot of players I have the 490 craft / gatherer stuff with max melding and I end up making money only with the daily roulettes…

100 000 gils a day, 3 Millions a month, 36 millions a year it s great…. Miam Miam 800 X satasha, 450 X crystal tower and 1000 X Garuda by year, Long may the FF 14 economy and fun reign…

[KageTokage]

The economy being sucky is a combination of several factors, but botters mass-producing items and auto-undercutting their competition likely plays a significant part in it.

They were not nearly as much of a problem back in HW, and ever since SB I've been seeing more and more of them showing up as time goes on.

[MistakeNot]

Been trying to sell stuff for some time and I've noticed a few things wrong with this games economy.

-The game allows server hopping, robbing players on current servers the opportunity to make money selling items to their fellow server mates. Most games dont allow this for this exact reason. It moves money off server onto another economy, resulting in a crash (which I've seen happen over the past week)

-Undercutting of epic proportions. I've played the auction house game on tons of video games and I've never seen undercutting this bad. I'll list 20 items and when I come back hours later, someone has undercut my price on every single item. I cant be on 24/7 to keep adjusting, and sometimes its not even worth adjusting anymore because the items deflate way below their actual value

-Undercutting so bad that items end up deflating to prices so low that you cant acquire any real money selling them anymore. I watched an item go from 90k to 5k in a week because so many players undercut each other infinitely.

Maybe I'm just being a noob, but this seems like a severe problem. In the last week or 2 I've seen a severe market crash on my server across the board. It's made it stupidly hard to make any money. The only items that seem to sell well are ones that are a pain to craft. I've tried selling everything from crafted items to map drops. And they just sit on AH forever because people are too cheap to pay the server price, and go off server instead. In a game where people have billions, its pretty unfair to new players to not give them the chance at getting some of that money.

And I do realize there are niche items that do sell pretty well, but it just shouldnt be this hard

I think it is great for buyers that there are so many cheap items to buy.

Perhaps it is hard to get filthy rich through the market board, but who cares? (Well, you do, apparently.)
All the gil I actually need I get just by playing the game. The extra I get by selling unneeded items on the MB is just a nice little bonus.

[Jojoya]

-The game allows server hopping, robbing players on current servers the opportunity to make money selling items to their fellow server mates. Most games dont allow this for this exact reason. It moves money off server onto another economy, resulting in a crash (which I've seen happen over the past week)

SE wants to balance MB prices across at least regions if not globally rather than have dramatic variations in pricing between worlds. Their original plan for Shadowbringers was to have the marketboard data center wide but they ran into technical problems.

-Undercutting of epic proportions. I've played the auction house game on tons of video games and I've never seen undercutting this bad. I'll list 20 items and when I come back hours later, someone has undercut my price on every single item. I cant be on 24/7 to keep adjusting, and sometimes its not even worth adjusting anymore because the items deflate way below their actual value

Someone has undercut you. So what? That's normal activity.

If you're listing your items at a reasonable price and overall supply of the item isn't outstripping demand by a wide margin, your item will still end up selling at your original price. Don't panic.

-Undercutting so bad that items end up deflating to prices so low that you cant acquire any real money selling them anymore. I watched an item go from 90k to 5k in a week because so many players undercut each other infinitely.

Part of why you shouldn't knee-jerk react to being undercut by undercutting again yourself. It sinks prices faster.

Other reasons why this happen - the listing price for the item is way over what the item is really worth, or supply is exceeding demand by a substantial margin.

Always check market history to see how often an item is selling and at what price versus the supply listed and its price. If you see a dozen items listed but only 3 sold in the past week, expect the price to keep dropping as other sellers try to unload their unwanted product just to make anything at all off it.

Maybe I'm just being a noob, but this seems like a severe problem. In the last week or 2 I've seen a severe market crash on my server across the board. It's made it stupidly hard to make any money. The only items that seem to sell well are ones that are a pain to craft. I've tried selling everything from crafted items to map drops. And they just sit on AH forever because people are too cheap to pay the server price, and go off server instead. In a game where people have billions, its pretty unfair to new players to not give them the chance at getting some of that money.

It's not a problem because we don't have that many gil expenses in the game. Normal game play more than covers those expenses. There's no point in having billions of gil when there's nothing to spend those billions of gil on.

If players are choosing to go to another server to buy, it's not because they're cheap. It's because your server price is overinflated for no reason other than someone is trying to get rich quick off other players.

There have been any number of times I've gone to the MB to buy something for one of my alts because I was feeling too lazy to make it myself and found the item listed at such a stupidly high price that not only did I end up making the item myself, I made multiples so I could sell the rest for profit.

If you want some of those billions, start selling at prices players are willing to pay instead of encouraging them to become a competitor because you expect to get too much.